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Why Phil Robertson Got Suspended from Duck Dynasty

To some of the audience, the appeal was the family's "keeping it real" with their faith. Phil's anti-gay remarks made it way too real.

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When a media figure gets suspended for making an offensive statement, the tricky thing often is figuring out which part of it he or she got suspended for.

Star and duck-call mogul Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, for instance, was indefinitely suspended by A&E Wednesday after an interview with GQ in which he called homosexuality sinful — like, in his words, drunkenness, bestiality, promiscuity, and terrorism — and in specifically anatomical terms saying why he thought being gay was “illogical.”

But which was the actionable part? Was he suspended for believing that being gay is a sin? For saying it out loud? For saying it in those terms?

In TV, writers talk about getting notes from the network to “make the subtext text.” That is, rather than be subtle, or hint at the meaning of a scene or dialogue without saying it in so many words, you need to make it clear so that nobody in your audience misses it. Robertson got in trouble, for once in TV history, for making the subtext text — for being explicit about the conservative Christianity that, when it was subtext, was a selling point for him and for his show.

Now, I’m not saying that you have to be Christian or conservative to like Duck Dynasty. It’s a comedy — a reality comedy, but still a sitcom, with sitcom setups and zingers — you just have to think it’s funny. I’ve only watched a handful of Duck Dynasty episodes — sometimes funny, not really for me — but nothing in it was predicated on accepting eternal hellfire for breaking the strictures of Leviticus. And likewise, you don’t have to disdain gay people or think being gay will send you to Hell to be a Christian — many, many Christians, some of them gay Christians, prove otherwise.

But for at least part of the huge Duck Dynasty audience, the Robertsons’ faith is part of the appeal: the fact that they’re public, devout Christians with a public platform, even if their faith was mostly background to the zany family antics. They might not be preaching, but if you cared enough you knew: they were keeping it real. And then there was the part of the show’s vibe that was less religious than cultural, but was still connected: that the show was about nostalgia, for the authentic ways, old days, and down-home values.

There were enough of all kinds of fans — family viewers and comedy fans and fans of the culture — to make the show a massive cable hit. As long as the subtext was subtext. But with Phil doing an interview in a national magazine, talking gay people, anuses, damnation — oh, and how the Japanese fought us in WWII because they didn’t have Jesus? [Update: As well as his pull-quoted remarks on “pre-entitlement” black people in the pre-civil rights South–”they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”]

That presents a problem. Now, you’ve got an issue with those of us who maybe just want to watch a family comedy about people outside a major city, but please without supporting somebody thumping gay people with their Bible. Or a problem with people with gay friends, or family, or, you know, actual gay A&E viewers.

And, once you take any kind of action on that, you’ve got the opposite problem — with deeply religious viewers who like the Robertsons for their faith. They’re going to see it as you punishing him for saying out loud what he believes, and maybe for what they themselves believe, and what they believe is the word of God. You’re punishing him, in their eyes, for being one of them.

As text rather than subtext, the stuff Phil thinks and says creates an irreconcilable problem. Which is why A&E is maybe trying to solve that problem by putting Phil on a “hiatus” from filming, because what exactly does that mean and how does it work? Is A&E going to put out a season of Duck Dynasty in which we just kind of forget that one of the family members exists? Or is this a “hiatus” that blows over once everyone forgets about this, Phil puts out some kind of crafted statement, and allows for the shooting of a full normal Duck Dynasty season? You know, like the exact same thing we would get if A&E didn’t do anything at all?

I can’t read A&E’s executives’ minds, of course, but there are other options. You can decide that what Phil said was bigoted and not something you want to be associated with, period. Or you can decide that it’s what he believes, and people can exercise their God-given right never to watch Duck Dynasty instead if they so choose.

Or you realize that things have gotten really uncomfortable, make an announcement that says you’re doing something, and wait for the text to become subtext again.

2033 comments
Don_L_P
Don_L_P

Phil Robertson is an example of what this world needs!!!  Nobody tells the younger generation how nice it was to feel safe out there. when we was younger.  It's not fair for them not to know where the answer lies!!!  Young children start school to learn so why not teach them the most important thing that will help them for a lifetime, To look to and realize that God is real and He watches over us. It's the schools responsibility to teach the young beautiful children so why not teach them the most important thing!!!  I'm 60 years old and we used to say The Pledge of Allegiance every day before we started our class and you never heard anywhere across the whole United States of someone killing another student!  If the younger generation would just learn to give thanks to God and depend on Him,  and learn to forgive the people that do us wrong (because they just don't know) then we could try to keep peace!  Just like anything (if we're smart enough),  When all else fails then we read the manual, The Bible (Gods instruction book).   Well, God Bless you all and I'm sorry if I upset anyone!  Love, Don

troymclure
troymclure

Phil robertson is weak and has latent homosexual tendencies himself he displays this fact by pointing out how much he hates gays that he feels this way by projection ie:
a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world.For example, a person who is rude may accuse other people of being rude
Why can't he be a real man and point out the real injustice in this world like the super rich who make money off the backs of the poor Like walmart Exxon Haliburton
or point out the way our service men are treated once they come home from war!
Phil your a phoney punk@$$ anti-christian Richy Richboy, your not fooling anybody,
.You cant love money and god at the same time YOU KNOW THAT.

Dig if you will this picture :Men sitting around big boat table in hollywood:

Mirrored sunglass, camouflage shirt headband pants wearing bearded family YESS Smells like a  ratings maker Lets do it!

DanP
DanP

Hello..... A news flash..... No time in the future is that bearded ass Phil Robertson going to starve because he lost his  job on the Duck Dynasty reality farce. This has nothing to do with gays, religion, human right or Jesus. This has to do with opening your mouth and placing your foot in it....... He is being paid good money by A&E,  and they do not like what he said, plain and simple. YES....This is a free country... and you can say anything you want..... but you may suffer the consequences of you saying it. 

Fastgirl
Fastgirl

Food for thought from gay, liberal, feminist Camille Paglia.
“I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech."
“In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there."
“To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades.” “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.”

PatrickPine
PatrickPine

I go to church on Sundays (and sometimes other days) and resent the remarks this guy made - these remarks misrepresent what I believe is the true basis of Christian belief and behavior.  I believe Jesus Christ would be offended by the remarks.


Though this show is called 'reality TV' - do a little research on this family and you quickly learn that virtually the entire family has remade itself for the purpose of this show - take a look at fairly recent pictures and you see an entirely different set of personalities.  Phil was a fairly decent college football quarterback.  The family business became the production and sale of duck calls and this family portrait in the show was developed for marketing purposes - not reality.


When you are in the business of selling products - you must be careful about your public pronouncements.  Phil wasn't - and he is paying the price.  He should.


ChuckMaroon
ChuckMaroon

iam sorry but I think u should have every right to speak your mine its suppose to be a free country but its ok for tv to show women get naked an guys kissing other guys but a man speaks his mine an its wrong iam sorry but I don't think phill meant it in a bad way I think they should let him back on the show if not leave a&e there other tv channel that will take u phill I don't think u did anything wrong god bless duck dynasty god bles the Robertson family all rednecks stick togeather love ur show I wacth it all the time

valentine.godoflove
valentine.godoflove

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MARTIN HARVEY........BARACK YOU.......


VALENTINE,,,,,COMEDIAN....LOL...

lilanimaluvr
lilanimaluvr

He said HE never saw unhappy blacks and in fact worked side by side with blacks as a white person as poor as they are. THAT is what he said. All the gay stuff was direct Bible quotes. The smug liberal media, including the too-young-for-her-job CEO of A & E simply cannot believe that their total distortion of what the man said is not flying. The THOUGHT police cannot imagine people who disagree with them. I think this backlash, which clearly A & E didn't expect and, in fact, the very popularity of DD, indicates how stupidly out of touch the northeast corridor/California ultra liberals are with how Americans see things. A & E stumbled into a show they all like and then stumbled into a stupid move when they assumed ANYONE would think Phil Robertson should be suspended. Guess what? Mainstream America is saying they are sick of the PC terrorism by people like this reporter, Bloomberg and their ilk who smugly assume they and only they have the sophistication to see certain things. I am thoroughly enjoying watching all of them get their smug behinds handed to them. And one final thing, Time Magazine, A & E and snotty liberal Jewish reporters--Phil Robertson doesn't give a DAMN what you think. He is LAUGHING at you, as are many of the rest of us.

MichaelS.Milne
MichaelS.Milne

Some of Robertson's beliefs are preposterous,  others among them merely out of the mainstream.  There really should be a canon of beliefs we are  permitted to hold, along with a list of things we are forbidden to say out loud.  This dogma should be mutable based on your race or religion.

dwilly
dwilly

It appears many of you making comments should read the actual GQ interview article and also study what the Christian faith believes before you make ignorant comments.

SuperSmartGuy
SuperSmartGuy

Robertson made terrible comments.  Some he claims were based on Bible teachings.  He needs to realize that the Bible was written by man and has some edicts that are inspired by Satan.  Those who defend his right to call homosexuality a sin are doing Satan's work. 

cnbrown1994
cnbrown1994

People really shouldnt get to pick and choose which parts of the bible to live by. He hates gays, but god hates his unkempt hair. Haha. I mean, if youre going to say youre a strong Chistian, you either live by what you stand by or you dont. Dont pick and choose which ones fit your lifestyle needs.

daisy09
daisy09

@DanPSad part is you "suffer the consequences" ONLY IF you are not part of what some say is the current politically correct. You can have a voice if you agree with liberal view, but differ from the current trends and lookout!

TayloorWinscher
TayloorWinscher

@Fastgirl I considered looking at the issue this way, but after much thought I must respectfully disagree with this viewpoint.  This is one example of what I've been seeing a lot of confusion on: The Freedom of Speech.  The right to free speech that America gives its people is an extraordinary thing.  We can't be arrested for what we say (apart from legitimate threats of course) and that is wonderful.  But people are confusing A&E for the government.  Phil Robertson did not get arrested for what he said.  He only was suspended from his job for what they believed were offensive statements.  A&E does not wish to support somebody that they believe has offended their viewers; especially considering that A&E has been a large supporter of the LGBT movement.

Phil Robertson has every right to be homophobic or racist, but A&E also has every right to fire or suspend their employees for what they consider to be misconduct.  This is without me even arguing whether what Phil Robertson said was wrong or not.  A&E just has the right to do that.

You might argue that he was suspended for his religious beliefs and therefore the suspension was illegal.  I disagree.  There is a fine line between following a religion and discriminating against a person for who they are.  People are commonly fired for the latter.  Just look at Paula Deen. 

Catherine531
Catherine531

@Fastgirl I want to thank you for your comments.  Whether you agree with Phil or not, the fact that he is now being ostracized and denied his livelihood because of his remarks that were made, not in the course of filming the show, but in a separate interview seems punitive.  That is a dangerous position to take! It was free speech that helped the civil rights movement achieve many of its goals; it was free speech that allowed women to achieve the right to vote and work outside the home; it was free speech that assisted the LGBQT community to achieve some of the social acceptance they now enjoy.  Everyone must be allowed to speak their minds and engage in debate or there is no such thing as free speech.  Whether we agree or not with what Phil said. I will defend his right to say it!

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@PatrickPine  I'm not quite sure why as a "Christian" you would be (or even think Jesus would be) offended by these remarks.  The Bible is clear on what is considered a sin & Phil just commented on what those were.  Since when does it become wrong for a Christian to speak about their Christian beliefs?  Isn't it just as wrong for you & anyone else that are judging him?  The Bible also speaks about that.   He even said in his interview that it wasn't his place to judge & he doesn't do that, but it was up to the Almighty.  As for the GQ article, A&E were there when the interview was done.  All they had to do, if they were worried what Phil might say is to ask GQ for approval before the article was written.  A&E knew all along where Phil stood on different issues.  If you think Phil really hates gays, then why would he work for a man (executive producer Scott Gurney) who played a gay man in a movie called "The Fluffer".  Maybe the didn't know he played such a role - or maybe they did & it wasn't up to them to judge (like they said).  I think too many people read into the interview & interpreted differently than what it was meant to be.  Many even said that Phil compared homosexuality to bestiality - which he did not.  I have even heard people say he talked about 'slaves', which again he did not.  He spoke about when he worked alongside black people picking cotton.  He said he had never seen anyone mistreat the black workers.  What is wrong with that?  He was only saying what he saw & never once spoke in a derogatory manner. 

As for Phil paying the 'price'.  Exactly what would you want?  Have him publicly flogged? I'm sure that his comment (based on public reaction in support of him) will not harm his business.  I think that the fact that GLAAD was so outspoken is what stirred the public.  So many times we read articles where gays are ostracized (or feel that they have been), only to find out later that the media reports were incorrect.  Have we forgotten already what Dayne Morales did & how she convinced so many in the media & public that she had been targeted because she was gay.  Only to find out that she not only lied about not receiving a tip & the comment left on the receipt.  But, she also lied about being active duty in the Marines, she lied about her father raping her & getting her pregnant & she lied about donating the money she received under false pretenses to Wounded Warriors.  Only 1 media source followed up on that & come to find out Wounded Warriors has said they not only had not received any donation from Dayne Morales, but they had not received any donations from anyone in her area.  So what happened to the thousands of dollars that were sent to her?

How about the school teacher who worked for a private Catholic school who went public when he was fired for taking off to get a marriage license?  He knew what the policies were when he worked there, but instead of taking the termination like a man, he took it to the media to garner support from the gay community.  Don't you consider it bias treatment when we are inundated with stories about gays who feel they have been mistreated either by their employers, customers, businesses, etc.

You know what upsets me more when I hear stories of gay couples?  Here are just 2 recent stories that were told, but they didn't create the media sensation I thought it would.  How about the story of Peter Truong & Mark Newton of Australia, who BOUGHT a newborn boy (supposedly from a woman that is suspected of being from Russia) for 1 purpose only - sexual gratification.  They started sexually abusing this baby when he was only 2 weeks old.  They not only abused him, but also allowed others to sexually abuse this baby.  I am also bothered by the story of Carl Herold & Charles Dunnavant, 'domestic partners' who sexually abused, tortured & took photos & videos of them sexually abusing Herold's 8 year old son.  Not only that, but this young boy was also potentially exposed to an STD.  Where is the outrage from GLAAD about these stories.  To me it is no different than what Sharpton & Jackson do when they come to the defense of a black person, whether they are in the right or wrong.  I guess it is even worse than what Sharpton & Jackson do because in both of these cases, young, innocent children were harmed, both physically & emotionally.  I would think that if GLAAD or LGBT would stand up & say "this is not what the gay community is about & we abhor this type of behavior."  But, their silence speaks volumes.  They are so fearful of people comparing them to pedophiles, that their silence is deafening.

TayloorWinscher
TayloorWinscher

@lilanimaluvr  "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men..." Doesn't sound like a direct quote from the Bible. 
 
The reason Phil told the story about working alongside black people in the South was in order to make a point that black people were happy before the Civil Rights Movement.  If you know anything about American history, you should understand that African Americans were treated HORRIBLY.  The only reason they were working in the fields with Phil is because southern farmers were using loopholes to financially enslave them to their farms.  And beyond that, black people were heavily discriminated against under the Jim Crow Laws.  What Phil Robertson said was horribly offensive and inappropriate as it implied that all black people were okay with that.  But I don't know that you would even care, seeing as you think that all "liberal Jewish reporters" are snobby.  You shouldn't be arguing for Phil's right to be expressing his religious beliefs and then discriminate against another religion in the same paragraph.  It looks ignorant.

A word to the wise: Don't treat liberal like a dirty word.  It makes you look and act close-minded.  I used to be conservative before opening my mind up to other opinions.  And I still respect conservative thoughts, as long as they respect other people.  No argument is worth partaking in unless you're willing to hear the other side out.  So don't isolate yourself from other opinions.  I am not a so called "Ultra Liberal" from California, yet I completely side with that opinion on this matter.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

@lilanimaluvr 

"All the gay stuff was direct Bible quotes."? Really? Please cite me chapter and verse on the superiority of the vagina. I think I missed it.

faunaspherefan2010
faunaspherefan2010

@lilanimaluvr And you say i am intolerable of people of different opinions, but you just called most people in northeast corridor/California out of touch. How are they out of touch? And I for one think Phil SHOULD be suspended. Are you saying the majority of america support Phil? Were are those statistics? Did you find them up you a**?

Liadan
Liadan

@lilanimaluvrNo he did NOT directly quote the bible and I resent Christianity being portrayed as racist and bigoted.  Mainstream America is NOT siding with DD.  Only the ultra conservative bigoted America.  Phil insulted nearly every minority, every religion in his rant.  He also desecrated Christianity.


I don't care what Phil thinks.  I don't care what he says or what he believes.  I do care about him portraying Christianity as White Supremist .  Love fulfills the Law.  Romans  13:8

do2
do2

@MichaelS.Milne   Exhibit A as to why the Left is the greatest threat to free speech and religious freedom in modern society.

Liadan
Liadan

@dwillyI have read it, and I do study the Bible.  Phil makes a mockery of Christianity, as well as defaming many minorities.

Liadan
Liadan

@SuperSmartGuy I abhor what Phil said.  But I am a Christian and do not believe any part of the Bible is written by Satan.  However, the way many people interpret the bible is definitely influenced by evil.


dwilly
dwilly

@SuperSmartGuy Never read the Bible or studied the Christian faith have you? Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.


mary.waterton
mary.waterton

@cnbrown1994- God made it clear which parts of the Old Testament still apply and which don't. No cherry picking involved. Homosexuality is still an abomination right alongside incest, pedophilia, bestiality and other immoral lifestyle choices.

troymclure
troymclure


Oh-  don't you worry that Pretty little head of yours none, Phil R was not punished to harshly for speaking his mind atoll By A&E, I think he's gonna make out just fine.


Fastgirl
Fastgirl

@TayloorWinscher @Fastgirl "A&E does not wish to support somebody that they believe has offended their viewers; especially considering that A&E has been a large supporter of the LGBT movement."? Really? A&E made several rookie mistakes. One of them being know your star and another know your audience. They did offend their auidence. Why do you think Phil is back at work after only 9 days? Don't kid yourself. The only value A&E has is making millions off of Phil and his family. They knew about Phil's beliefs before hiring him and they knew what was in the GQ interview three months before it was made public. They chose not to do anything about it unil they heard from GLAAD. 




AliciaKuhl
AliciaKuhl

Wow LGBQT....How many more will be added over the years. smh

troymclure
troymclure

@Catherine531@Fastgirl

Oh-  don't you worry that Pretty little head of yours none, Phil R was not punished to harshly for speaking his mind atoll By A&E, I think he's gonna make out just fine.He's got millions of dollars to help cushion that fall!

I just don't understand why people like you defend pieces of crap like that because when something bad happens to you ain't gonna be no phil robertson coming to your defense!


CraigBoogPowell
CraigBoogPowell

@Liadan You must be a troll trying to act like a Christian.  Only the radical left is (incorrectly) portraying Christianity as racist and bigoted, but this didn't just start last week, it has been happening for years. 

Define ultra-conservative.  And then tell me how tolerant that people in organizations like GLAAD, PETA and NAACP are. 

Phil did not desecrate Christianity.  Nice try.

Phil did not portray Christianity as white supremists, that is what the left is trying to do. 

Liadan
Liadan

@do2@MichaelS.Milne  Really?  Who stopped Phil from saying anything?  Is he in jail?  Being tortured?  Did the government get involved at all?  Free Speech doesn't mean you get to say anything and anyone who disagrees with you doesn't.  Religious freedom doesn't mean shoving your beliefs down others throats.  Freedoms are a two way street.

CraigBoogPowell
CraigBoogPowell

@Liadan Prove it.  You just don't like the man and want to be offended.  You are clearly a member of the radical and intolerant left. 

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@Liadan   You might try reading the GQ article again, because I saw nothing like what you describe.  He didn't defame anyone & he simply stated what the Bible considers a sin - which again he was correct, as the Bible does have those sins listed, not only in the text he provided, but also other verses as well. 

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@lilanimaluvr  The Bible doesn't say the God or Jesus "hates" gays, but there are specific verses regarding homosexuality & other things that are considered sexually immoral in many Biblical verses.  The laws regarding sexual immorality as detailed in Leviticus 18 are indeed reapplied in the New Covenant in Mark 7:21, Acts 15:20, Romans 13:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9,18, & 10:8, 2 Corinthians 12:21, Galatians 5:19, Ephesians 5:3, 5, 1 Thessalonians 4:3, 1 Timothy 1:10 & Revelations 2:14

Liadan
Liadan

@mary.waterton@cnbrown1994 Please cite the chapter and verse where God picked some parts of the Bible to follow and which not.  For example, show me where God said the unkempt hair is ok now.  And Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality, but plenty to say about those who pervert God's Word.  He had plenty to say about helping the poor,   Why do some Christians fixate on gays, but ignore the commands to help the poor?

rollingtheranger
rollingtheranger

@CraigBoogPowell@LiadanLet me guess you are straight, white and Christian assuring us all your application of religion isn't bigoted or racist.  To defend a man's right to presume he can not only speak for African Americans and their experience in the south after slavery under Jim Crow Laws but God as well.  Use the lord's name in vane much?

HBP
HBP

@CraigBoogPowell@LiadanI feel bad for Robertson, a lot of closeted gays will lash out and act homophobic, I wish Robertson could live free and gay as he pleases , but he has to live in the bible belt, and follow the teachings of a old book, let Robertson be the queen he wants to be, Jesus will still love him, I think thats why he wears all that Camo , so you can't see him in gay bars

rollingtheranger
rollingtheranger

@traumaqueen45@Liadan

I have read the GQ interview, I have read the bible.The bible has a lot to say about a lot of things only a few about homosexuality.This is the classic taking the gay log out of another’s eye while having the log of presumption and arrogance in your own eye.

The apostle Paul admonishes people to do the one good thing while not neglecting the other.How I wish the faith based would list fruits of the spirit or the attributes of love as eagerly as they take up the list of sins when marginalizing homosexuals.

The issue isn’t free speak Phil Robertson was allowed to speak freely.The issue is presuming what you say can’t or shouldn’t be challenged because you are speaking for god.That is the issue with the faith based right they presume their idea of religion allows them to say anything without consequence.It doesn’t have to be true it only has to be branded by their faith and we are all expected to accept it as irrefutable fact.When they do offend they don’t turn the other cheek they lash out entitled and defensive blaming the left or those people.

I mean why anybody would find it racist to presume to speak for the slave you worked next to because you were white trash and never saw any of them abused.The system itself was an abuse of the black person what thinking person believes black people should have their own drinking fountains?That’s right a racist.

If Phil Robertson and his supporters were biblical purists they would have mentioned not only homosexuals as murderers, vile, evil doers who plot evil there are a list of several sins.Where was his moral contempt for those sins?That’s right Phil Robertson committed those sins but those sins are worthy of less contempt because they involve a vagina and not a man hole.

If you don’t want to seem like a bigoted racist don’t use the bible to justify bigoted and racist statements and don’t defend those who do as if the issue is freedom of speech.

Rebel
Rebel

@traumaqueen45@Liadan "They're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil. That's what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you gonna do Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You're doing to die. Don't forget that."

rollingtheranger
rollingtheranger

@traumaqueen45@faunaspherefan2010

A very compelling explanation.I am not offended that Christians by faith believe god considers homosexuality a sin.

What offends me is their eager zeal to point out that sin while turning a blind eye to other sins.Where is the same contempt for those living outside of wedlock?When was the last time they were fired from their jobs for having sex out of wedlock?In fact Phil like most Christians admitted he’d participated in those very sins but having been saved by grace he was now spreading the word.That word being heavy in condemning the sin of homosexuality, reducing the homosexual to an animal while granting himself a pass based on grace.

It’s ironic the 10 commandments don’t list homosexuality as one of those divine rules to live by but Christians love to take a pass on coveting the neighbors wife while pointing at homosexuals.Where when talking about what god put together is the same vitriol for the divorced of the faith?

The standard is if they are homosexual don’t eat with them, disown them, shame them publically, dehumanize them in the name of love and give Christ the credit.Then if the sin is adultery, fornication, greed, murder we can forgive those things we will eat with those people.I don’t recall a passage where Christ on the cross qualified his sacrifice with unless you’re a homosexual.I say Christians can keep the scared union of their bible and the rest of us can have the marriage that was based in institutions with benefits granted by the Government.

If they cared so much about their sacred unions why is the divorce rate in the church higher than in the secular community?It’s just one more prop they drag out when they want to throw stones at homosexuals in the name of loving all humanity.We are expected to dodge the rocks and take their word for it.

I don’t care that you think its sin but don’t tell me you say things like what Phil said out of love for humanity.The faith based like Phil and those who support them judge themselves by their intentions while the rest see only their actions.

neko4
neko4

True Christians cannot prove or disprove that the Trinity even exists. We have what the Bible says to be true.  It is up to us to either believe it or not.  The OT does make it clear that homosexuality is an abomination against God the father.It was also God the father who ordered Abraham to circumcise himself, and all male children and all males that are in his household.Abraham started the Jewish race and faith. Of course one can disagree with this.The time when we will know the answer to this an all questions of the universe happens after we are dead.Then it will be too late to change our path.It would also be too late to tell anybody that we were wrong or right as well as to tell people which path to follow.Therefore it is all about belief.What you believe in.God has never changed his view points. Jesus even confirmed what GOD the father has said.However, people have changed their viewpoints even try to rationalize them to fit what the bible says.However, in the end it does not matter what we think is right it matters what God thinks.

faunaspherefan2010
faunaspherefan2010

@traumaqueen45 No offense or anything, but you can't even prove any of that happened. You can't prove God (I'm including Jesus, and the holy spirit) is real. Also the holy book contains many mistakes (contradictions), It isn't perfect, and it seems to be a reflection of which the time people were living (flat earth). And you could be incorrect, you do not know that Jesus agrees with the view of others (like Paul), that is an assumption that the holy spirit was guiding them, which you cannot prove. Also their are many gay Christians who don't see it as sinful, (some commit to celibacy, some live as they are), and their are regular Christians who don't see it as sinful anymore

CraigBoogPowell
CraigBoogPowell

@atty123 How is Phil showing hatred?  He's not, just because he doesn't adhere to the radical left's talking points does not make him hateful in any way. 

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@Liadan  There are many verses in the Bible about hair.  Exactly what are you wanting to know?  As for another of your questions, I don't think Christians 'fixate' on gays, but many times Christians are asked to explain about what the Bible says about homosexuality & why we consider it a sin.  I have many people tell me that they don't believe in the Bible or a God.  That is their choice, but as a Christian, we are supposed to tell others about the teaching of God & Christ.  As for helping the poor, I'm not sure why you think that Christians don't help the poor.  My family volunteers for many different organizations & also donate anonymously to poor families & not only at Christmas time when so many donate gifts for children.  Not all people who profess to be Christians, actually live the life of a Christian.  I have met many, what I call, Sunday Christians.  They act one way on Sunday (or in public) and totally different in the privacy of their homes.  True Christians don't have to put on an act for anyone.  God sees all, so I'm not sure who they think they are fooling by being pretentious.  But, don't think that is a representation of all Christians.

atty123
atty123

@traumaqueen45@faunaspherefan2010 If it was that important to Christians that they should spend a whole time been anti-gay it would be in the Commandments. 


The one Commandment that Jesus left with us was " love one another as I have loved you". Robertson is not showing love he is showing hatred.


The Bible says you should left all judgments to God, and Robertson is not God.


I think this new pope has gotten what it is to be a true christian. It should be that you love one another and left all judgments to God..

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@faunaspherefan2010  I think you should read what I wrote again.  Jesus does preach about God making men & women leaving their parents home & joining each other to become one flesh.  Jesus also didn't say a word about pedophilia, bestiality, or rape. But it would be absurd to seek to garner support for any of those abominable acts on the basis of such silence.  A great portion of Jesus’ ministry related to Israel & those familiar with the Law of Moses. They were living in an age under the Mosaic Covenant, which explicitly condemned homosexuality. Unless there was some precipitating issue that would force Jesus to comment on homosexuality, the only reasonable conclusion, especially since Jesus viewed the OT as the word of God (which was infallible), is that his view of homosexuality was the same as the OT view of homosexuality.  Also, when Jesus spoke about marriage, he affirmed it as an institution between a male & a female.  The Pharisees asked Jesus what he thought about divorce (hoping to trap Him into disagreeing with Moses) so they could find a reason to condemn him.  But, Jesus said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male & female & said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father & mother and be joined to his wife & the two shall become one flesh’?  Jesus could have simply answered the Pharisees’ question about divorce, he could have done so by just saying “Have you not read that the two become one flesh?”  So why does he remind the Pharisees that God made human beings male and female?  He makes this point in order to make it clear that that God ordained marriage to exist only between 1 man & 1 woman. While it’s true that we have no record of Jesus speaking about homosexuality while he was alive, the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to speak His words, superintended what Paul wrote so that he wrote exactly what God desired to be written.  Jesus did not stop speaking when Matthew, Mark, Luke & John finished their Gospel accounts. While Jesus was still on earth, he told the disciples that he had much to say to them, things which they could not bear at that time.  But he promised that the Holy Spirit would come to the disciples & would guide them into all truth. This is a promise from Jesus himself that the word that the Holy Spirit would speak through the disciples would be Christ’s own words. In this way, the Spirit would glorify Jesus.  As the Church was being built, the Spirit spoke Jesus words to the writers of the New Testament. All Scripture is the very Word of God. So did Jesus address homosexuality? Yes, He did. He did so by sending his Spirit to oversee the writing of Paul, so that what Paul wrote was precisely what Jesus intended. Jesus condemned homosexuality by means of Paul’s condemnation of homosexuality. So, to deny that homosexuality is sinful is to deny Jesus Himself.

faunaspherefan2010
faunaspherefan2010

@traumaqueen45 Well, now you got a reason for Christians not to focus so much on homosexuality. It wasn't even important enough for Jesus to mention.

traumaqueen45
traumaqueen45

@Liadan Jesus does mention homesexuality - not the word, but in his words, he mentions only men & women being together.  Read Matthew 19:4-6 where it states "4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”