Will Idris Elba Be the Next James Bond?

Rumors that the British actor has met with Bond producers have been confirmed

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Idris Elba on Feb. 10, 2012 in New York City.

At a recent New York City press event for the upcoming James Bond film Skyfall, actress Noamie Harris, who plays Bond’s fellow agent Eve, said that there was no discussion on set of the various actors’ races and that actresses of several different racial backgrounds auditioned for the part she ended up playing. And now it looks like those race-blind casting choices may go even further for the franchise: in an interview with The Huffington Post that was published this week, Harris said that the British actor Idris Elba—with whom Harris recently filmed Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom, in which she and Elba play Winnie and Nelson Mandela—has been in talks to play James Bond. Elba told Harris that he had spoken to Bond producer Barbara Broccoli, she said.

It’s not too hard to see why producers would be attracted to Elba: He’s a London native and has the acting cred and action (and humor) experience to get the job done. Elba was a regular on The Wire and had a story arc on the U.S. version of The Office; on the big screen, he recently appeared in Thor and Prometheus. This year, he won a Golden Globe for his performance in the BBC series Luther.

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And Broccoli’s fellow producer Michael G. Wilson recently told TIME that they were always updating James Bond, to keep the franchise going over the decades. “The character himself is very rich so you can always find a way,” he said. “It’s just a matter of saying how he reacts under [new] conditions.”

While the idea of a black James Bond may have seemed outlandish to those who created the first Bond films 50 years ago, it’s not exactly a new idea. Back in 2008, Daniel Craig—who even got some flack initially for being the first blond Bond—suggested the idea himself. And rumors of Elba’s casting have been around at least since last fall, when the actor discussed the idea with NPR, during an interview in which he noted that, while he would definitely consider the role (“I’d not only get in the cab [to meet with producers] but I’d take the taxi driver out of the car, hostage…jump out while it was moving, jump onto a pedal bike that was just past the door as I got on it, and then get onto a plane—on the wing—land on top of Sony Studios, slide through the air conditioning, and land in the office,” he said), he wouldn’t want to be known as just “the black James Bond.”

But, as enticing as Elba’s taxi fantasy may be, audiences would have a while to wait for it. The role won’t change hands any time soon: according to NME, Craig will fill 007′s tux at least two more times before it is given to someone else.

76 comments
powerpointmaker23
powerpointmaker23

If you are born in Britain you are British.

You may not be English, but you are British, although nobody really seperates the two now.

You may want to look at the English football team to get an idea if you've not travelled much out of Kentucky.

Idris Elba as Bond? - fantastic actor - the perfect Bond for the modern era.

HotDog
HotDog

Blockbuster cinema is already becoming a hipster buffet of interchanging cliches in order to stay contemporary in someway, James Bond is elevated in status and in class because of how little and non radical its changes are with each evolution in narrative.  We aren't talking Spiderman here, or some run of the mill mainstream release, or straight to dvd rendition of some earier classic, its no Guess Whos Coming to Dinner.  Idris Elba is a great actor with a great resume but I personally do not believe he fits the role.  James Bond is white; pure and simple, I wouldn't object the change, but If it had to happen to I would rather see it around 20 further additions into the series..or something:-P 

CurtB
CurtB

Bond? No. A more physically involved "M"? Yes. As an African American, I believe that any actor lucky enough to play James Bond should always and forever be British/Caucasian.

mw0142
mw0142

No, black James bond another traditional series destroyed by Hollywood why, can't you leave some popular movies alone. I won't pay to see it reminds me when they used Will Smith to play James West of the remake of The Wild Wild West...it was a flop at the box office.

inthemorning
inthemorning

Also, sorry if your worried about preserving white culture, and the limited white roles in cinema, must be stressful *NOT*

inthemorning
inthemorning

What is interesting to note after reading many of the comments is the amount of opposition to Idris soley for his race, without any notice taken to his skillfulness as an actor.  I believe he's an excellent actor with a great deal of range - from comedy to drama to action, and has an impressive resume.  He fits the physicality that truly seems central to the character, his strength.  He could bring both introspective and kick-ass layers to this role.  We by no means live in a race-neutral world, and many commenters have already done an excellent job of responding to the explicit racism in this message board.  But I think Idris wouldn't just be "the black Bond", rather the next "Great Bond".  

Broseph
Broseph

I found this article on Idris and it was a great response to the obviously racist comments being said about him being bond.  http://wp.me/p1MUmK-l

Theoryofman
Theoryofman

For Your Eyes Only: Mr. @DerickWald
You said this to: @dominoblox & @VincentLovece


"Lol.. you make me laugh. If sub-Saharan traveled all the way to Europe, why haven't they ever colonized Madagascar throughout all of their history Blacks have darker skin because they do not produce vitamin D in their skin like white folk do- so why do they become "white" if they are "Celts"

Science has proven that there is a difference between blacks and whites, bone formation,size, nerve tissue, ect, the list goes on and on. The only "evidence" you have is a negro skull found in Ireland or Scotland, I forget where. WOW, THEY FOUND A BLACK SKULL!! ALL CELTS MUST BE NEGRO!! Seriously, take a basic biology course or re-familiarize yourself with it before you post your anti-white propaganda here, libtard."

OK.. Mr.Derick all this is to make a point about the "seperation" of people into given classifications( originated by idiots seeking commercial) gain or representing those interest. I say what about the seperation of the blond race or red-head race those are distinguishable physical genetic characteristics. Theres a difference between blond and redhead people, light-skinned and dark skinned "so called" black people(IMMACULATE-NEGROS) (FANTASTIC-NEGROES) or we can just call them people or human beings deservant of simple respect. Why not.

The arguement here is to say that "those people" by the way the first people to ever exist as a human species. Talk about arriving first..the arguement is to say they did or didn't arrive and live amongst the Celt population. The fact is they are already there anyway below the surface in the..DNA. You can try and argue and skew, propagandize and fearmonger but you can't manipulate or inject fearful emotion into the scientific fact of DNA.

I hate to scare you but the fact is if a person identified as Celt has a relationship with a person identified as respectable (so called) black (original man lets say) the evidence of the offspring reveals what you're afraid of whats underneath that the child will show what the two people have most in common ...deeeep inside my friend. You know when you get angry or mad or exhibit subliminal tendencies to show interest in territorial dominance.

Think about this the 40,000 years or so it took the human brains frontal lobe to develop and propel ....man into conceptualizing future. Being able to get beyond the here and now. Allowing all humanity to understand, interact communicate abstractly vs here and now. Laying the foundation for all humanity over millinia through hard environments you and I couldn't imagine but they laid the way. Whether from Canada, India, Europe, Austrailia, Senegal, Congo, Japan,US, Brazil. The social human evolves like no other to form eventually complex societies and cities from human family nucleus. Let me stop with the history lesson. Human history. But I ask; sense you are so adamant about a so called "race" fasely identified and tagged thing called "race" used to exploit for commercial purposes and greed. I ask what if the "so called" black man asked for it all back what...He/She stated. Give him/her back the DNA in you.. DNA the biological instructions to form from cells the human fetus within the mother. ....You take the pure difference with you whats left is ....nothing at all thats human. You wouldn't have hands, feet, lungs, liver walk upright heck you wouldn't walk at all.

If someone has anger "rights" in respect to ruin its "so called" "blackman". Think about it Identified: white man comes from "so called" blackman as well as all other people of the world. What if blackman looks forward from history at all this and responds to what he senses a rightful responsibility to. The welfare and conduct of his offspring and children generation after generation. Into infinity. The way modern rednecks and "euro-redneck wanna be's" wants to sever those ties and connections revealed by our "great white" scientist. It behooves me

I love love white people white people are great
I love love brown people brown people are great
I love love yellow people and they are great
I love love black people black people are great
I love love red people they are great
I don't love all people though. Redneck idiots and Euro-Redneck/terrorist (want-to-be) are idiots
European people are fantastic

I made this statement to neutralize Derick Walds so called "anti-white" fools ploy label.Anybody else out there don't let him fool you and mislead.

I'm out I'm through writing wasted enough with you Neo-n

@einzart
For the record I haven't forgotten. I'm for Idris to play James Bond. And there is no such thing to be uttered by any one outside of owners of the legal rights of "James Bond Franchise" such as "you" go make "your" own movie. If its coming from anybody on this blog outside of ownership the correct approach is they'll make it the way ..they decide it. You have absolutely ziltch claim. You're a spectator

For the record surprise I'm black. As if you didn't know specifically US- African American(again given) also a product of I believe a rape (cancerous-corrupt law made it legal then) by a governor in 1852 of a black woman. Documented Irish, German, and Italian ancestors.I never never ever have discussed those roots and lineage with anybody but you special guys. Not even my wife. But I ask you racist know-it-alls what am I supposed to ask my great-great-great grandfather governor of state for. All I can do is take care of my children like he didn't take care of his. Because beyond a shadow of a doubt they were his. You think I want money. What about my share..of the ..culture. Human culture

I love white culture. White culture is great I've been in an environment full of white people had great experience. I've been in an environment full of black people had great experiences. Same thing in room full of other people. Also had real everday experiences that aren't something to brag about in and among all cultures. Its called real life. I hope White culture can preserve the white heritage I dont think racism is intrinsic to preservation. Quit thinking like idiots and realize greed of man is the seed of your doom in your mind.You think you got problems with preserving and saving white heritage. Dont be so scared people naturally migrate towards forming groups that are the easiest and most conveinent in todays terms race defines that convenience. Think about what you don't ever think about is reverse-engineering the mess of slave culture.The deliberate act of the destruction of the free will of man. A Man that wants heathy robust. The finest of culture for himself and other cultures self-identified as different.

For the sane people out there. Don't let the racist ruin your day. Which I know you won't
When the next movie comes out go out enjoy it have fun. I trust the owners of the franchise to do the proper research and will make right decision. The choice will be perfect because thats the history of the James Bond 007 Franchise.

I look back and see I wrote so much I may want to say be on the lookout for my next book
Gotta go Have a nice day

LOVE LOVE LOVE not H H H
Haters are losers 

Theoryofman
Theoryofman

@gettinlean@einzart@KevinLeong@Derickwald/Mr.anti-white@VincentLovece@R_O_D

First of all read...read before you write or think. Here's a statement from the article that sets the context for the entire discussion for all us to digress our thoughts and opinions. Statement#1 from article:
"Back in 2008, Daniel Craig—who even got some flack initially for being the first blond Bond—suggested the idea himself."

Statement#2:Eve, said that there was no discussion on set of the various actors’ races and that actresses of several different racial backgrounds auditioned for the part

I've read the article and each and every comment top to bottom and the reason I'm posting is the context of the article got hi-jacked be afraid think "terrorist" when "@einzart" entered the discussion.

"ppl like you sound, clamoring to change Bond's character. GO MAKE YOUR OWN BOND-LIKE MOVIES."

I ask einzart to explain "go make your own movies" when Daniel Craig made the original inference. Who is this "your own" there is no "your own" from @einzart position. The people in charge of the rights to making decisions about continuing the franchise and people close to having a stake like a one Mr. Daniel Craig would be best in position to make a decision and call someone else a "you" and tell them to. Go and make a movie. So einzart&company you go to your special place and enjoy your dreams on a white cloud of ignorant bliss in some dreamworld. Where all your problems can be blamed on some other and no full responsibility is taken by decision makers to take the blame for each and every problem you and I see in society and societies.

And for the record before I go further. I must also address the article directly and cast my opinion about a Mr.Idris Elbas potential to be a successful draw at the boxoffice. From what I've observed he's a sensational actor and goes beyond general expectations of performance. I may sound biased but thats my honest opinion. I think one of your biggest fears may be that he may be a bigger success than ever because of the fact that his performance will generate curiosity for an entirely new set of Bond fans many, many, many of whom are not necessarily white. For the record I love love white people. I love love white people. Ilove Chinese people, Mexican, Greeks, Germans, French, Sudanses citizens , Cambodians. I've met them all and many kinds. I would guess Einzart&company and the Neo...as addressed by @ellefolk. I don't have any evidence that you're NeoNaz or KKK or whatever. But you terrorist hi-jacking of this conversation suggest similar beliefs. You want to waist your time and get off the simple subject of whether a distinguished actor can successfully play a role and mask racial biases and tendecies behind an opinion then do so.

It was mentioned earlier by a Mr.@357

" And yet again, you still haven't provided a valid reason as to why Idris Elba shouldn't play James Bond".....

That question hasn't been answered. We're all extrapolating offering conjecture and throwing wild guesses out there. A true market survey is needed and you redneck "want to be's" backwoods: still backed into a defensive/fearful of the unknown position in your caves will be some of the last few people a true survey will fall on. Todays movie goers aren't you. You're extinct.

Build a museum for yourself and your beliefs so people will remember how things used to be. They'll be happy and not afraid and living their lives and the world will prosper and will find their way. and you're ole racist buts . The people of the world are beautiful and intelligent can build the greatest structures, achieve scientific breathroughs live as intelligent, smart, orderly peaceful people irrespective of religion. The people you think are ruining your (acutally a)historical culture and way of life (you don't own) can achieve these things. It takes the #'s you idiot. It takes #'s. If theres a quote-unquote. Person or people given the title of minority in a larger population that wants to seperate itself in identity. Then the smaller segregated population is subject to any and everything given to it and "allowed" by the larger which draws lines to which no matter what. THat individual no matter how smart, intelligent, resourceful is not allowed to cross.

Heres a fast foreward solution to your "cultural-world-global-ruin" scenarios. Quit importing people into your (I'm going to let you own it). Quit importing people or ask your leaders to stop importing people without them already being lets says "up to par" with others in the culture in terms of status, class, culture, wealth etc. If you bring people in your country(you own it :-) ). If you dont do that then you're using them for their cheap labor. If you go into the past the extreme of this is slave labor. Let me fast forward again. If the greedy could resist the temptation of cheap labor whther a slave trader/broker or yesterday or greedy multination corporations of today. ....Slavery would never have happened anywhere in the world at any time or any place. If you beleive so then come and be my slave. I'm sure you'll say no to anyone who asks that question besides me. If you're a white male of racist tendencies (not a regular good intelligent --typical) white male I'm familiar with even you can be slave if the time is right and the place in history is right. Romans enslaved others no matter the race. And most individuals/ people human beings who found themselves placed into slavery due to being captured or sold for family debts came from crooked leaders making bad decisions and fed by greed and lack of conscious and simple human dignity. Traits that should remain dormant in our DNA yet sometimes we just can't help oursleves.

What I say to racist: take responsibilty go back in time undue all the greed that lay in the forefathers hearts. And all that drive and virility that powered their capacity to compell and sell those around them that commerce trumps the culture of man. They convinced others that they could handle the situation. They sold the governors and kings that they could bring the "slaves"(free thinking well cultured-creative-full of potential) people forced them to do the dirty work. Then for some reason cultures within close proximity interacted with each other beyond [slaves] or more accurately(good People given forcefully the title of)SLAVE.

And furthermore:own
Your own culture: you don't have rights to claim a full culture of people or a...side. If you do go feed them, cloth them , convince them
you dont own S you barely own the clothes on your own back. Global multinational corporations own all that S. They own your politicians and mine no matter what country you reside.

Stay scared bunker down hide in your cave take a gun with you shoot at the ghost+paper dragon thats never coming while other people white, yellow,red, black brown live happy &free properous lives.

The problems we have are the way people are brought into a new society. The interface is skewed.

 

gettinlean
gettinlean

will the new bond live in the hood??? listen to rap, eat fried chicken and watermelon, sip on gin & juice??? Drive a crown vic with 28's?

ScottWigston
ScottWigston

Imagine the Ricardo Tubbs character in Miami Vice becoming a white man? The answer is nyet comrade so don't destroy Bon after fifty great years!

pffls09
pffls09

Well, if anyone could carry off a black James Bond; it would be Mr. Elba.  I was dubious about his playing the norse god Heimdall in 'Thor'; but he was so thoroughly and intensely Heimdall (at least the Marvel Comics Heimdall, since the movie was based on the Marvel Comics version of the mythology) that I was enthralled by his performance.  But the James Bond movies are less of a fantasy than 'Thor', although espionage is over-glamorized, the protagonists are all human beings and not supernatural beings.  James Bond, if I remember correctly, is supposedly a scion of British nobility or at least landed gentry; a subset which, for various reasons, does not include black people.  I suppose they could tinker with Bond's origins and have him be a son of wealthy black British family which enabled him to go to Eton-or-Harrow and be raised to appreciate martinis shaken but not stirred and all the other Bond trimmings.  If the movie is good, i.e. plot, story interesting, and not too gory, and the acting at least believable, and there is the usual escapist fun, I'd accept a black James Bond, though I don't think one is needed, any more than we would need a white "Shaft".  I'm sure Idris Elba would do a good job if he  played Bond.

PaulNicholson
PaulNicholson

And some people are talking about Bond getting back to his original self. That means: a 6 foot, slim built, cruel-mouthed, cheek-scarred, black-haired, white British male.

Let's just have that, as well as character-based, well-scripted stories without all the silly, over-the-top chase scenes, etc. It's all become nonsensical over the years.

ellefolk
ellefolk

Look at all the lovely comments from neo-nazis/white supremacists. Sigh. 

VincentLovece
VincentLovece

I can believe Bond can change appearances and actors, but Bond is supposed to be some sort of British guy. While there are African people living in the UK, not one of them can be said to actually be British as far as ethnicity is concerned. Also, how a black man in the UK could come to serve as a 007 agent would be very different from how a British person would. One is serving his Queen, the other is serving his people's former colonial master. I suppose it would be inappropriate to have an Irish James Bond as well.

raveratleff
raveratleff

The guy is one of my favorite actors. He and the robot guy in Prometheus was the only good actors in the entire movie crew. If he actually becomes the new Bond, I would actually start watching it again. 

einzart
einzart

@Theoryofman Stop asking the same questions over and over again. Most don't want to see a Bond or Sherlock holmes or any classic characters to change into something else. When Craig goes to watch a movie, he is but one member of the audience. So no.. he doesn't get to speak for everyone. He has his opinion and I have mine. BTW.. Stop using my arguments to state what I have already stated. If  the producers think there is a huge market for new James bond, by all means make it. Its their money. What I don't understand are ppl clamoring for Bond's race to change. Don't know why its so important for ppl like you. Looking at the comments from this website and other ones, it looks like most ppl don't want it. So why fix something thats not broken. If you don't understand what I said, re read my previous comments. And I don't care if you use the race card in your arguments. It doesn't bother me one bit and it won't change my preferences. Should you bring up my name again, I will magically reappear and repeat the same thing again. 

DerickWald
DerickWald

@ellefolk  You are only calling them racist because they want to preserve their heritage and culture. You are an anti-white, get over it. I don't see any white folk playing Mendela or African tribals, yet I see blacks playing as Norse gods and Roman emperors.

We will not allow you to destroy our culture; anti-racist is codeword for anti-white. You are just anti-white.

einzart
einzart

@ellefolk What part don't people like you get? People won't enjoy Bond, even if he is a white guy speaking with a French or German accent say. Its not Racism. People want to preserve the essence of a character. But what is stopping anyone from making a la Bond movies anyway? There is Jason Bourne or Ethan Hunt. So go ahead and make your movies with another character who is black or chinese or whatever you want. Why change the Bond character is beyond me. The whole "Racism" argument for every small thing is not just stupid but also irritating. 

dominoblox
dominoblox

@VincentLovece  

 WRONG. In fact, there is ample evidence suggested that some of theoriginal Celts were African, as far back as 500 BC. Africans have beenin England for as long as history has been charted. It's ignorant tosuggest no one in Africa had the ability to make boats until they becameslaves.

Mr.357
Mr.357

@DerickWald James Bond isn't even a real person, the only "heritage" that he displays is his British accent, which is something that Elba has naturally.  He won't have to fake it if he plays the part.  So how are people who want Bond to be played by a white actor "preserving their heritage"... 

DerickWald
DerickWald

@dominoblox @VincentLovece  Lol.. you make me laugh. If sub-Saharan traveled all the way to Europe, why haven't they ever colonized Madagascar throughout all of their history Blacks have darker skin because they do not produce vitamin D in their skin like white folk do- so why do they become "white" if they are "Celts"

Science has proven that there is a difference between blacks and whites, bone formation,size, nerve tissue, ect, the list goes on and on. The only "evidence" you have is a negro skull found in Ireland or Scotland, I forget where. WOW, THEY FOUND A BLACK SKULL!! ALL CELTS MUST BE NEGRO!! Seriously, take a basic biology course or re-familiarize yourself with it before you post your anti-white propaganda here, libtard.

R__O__D
R__O__D

@dominoblox @VincentLovece Ah I see. So not only are anti-whites trying to wipe whites off the face of the earth, but from history books as well. You are anti-white. You support white genocide. "Anti-racist" is a codeowrd for anti-white

HotDog
HotDog

@ellefolk  'These people'.., you need to develop empathy and rational sense yourself, having an emotional outrage because people don't support your Irrational opinions just makes you seem childish.  Further labelling people as racists and white supremacists without drawing logical connections is also ridiculous, feel free to make your own James Bond style movie with a black actor, I have nothing against Idris Elba hes unreal but he doesn't fit the role IMO. Get out of your head a bit, stockpiling a bunch of harsh terms to use against people just for the novelty of having them seen by yourself and others is pretty disturbing, you should have just kept your thoughts to yourself, replied more respectably, or not replied at all.  Your ignorance and arrogance is unmatched, I really hope you have grown up in the year since you commented here.

I wouldn't even mind it a whole lot even if they somehow cast a black actor for James Bond, but I would probably stop watching the franchise as intimately as I do after the "shock value" and marketing wore off.  I think preservation and tradition works more for James Bond than it does for most other roles, but I'm loosely entering a new topic here without much care and I am not interested in your conversation.

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart @Mr.357 @ellefolk No, you proved no point actually.  Just that you have "two words" for me and are unable to engage in an actual unbiased discussion.

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart @Mr.357 @ellefolk SMH... you obviously missed the entire point we were trying to make.  James Bond is a dynamic character, he is fictional which means that he will "live" for as long as Hollywood producers allow him to.  Characters such as these are continuously modernized to reflect the times in which they persist through.  That's how characters such as Bond and other "super heroes" still remain relevant, they're modernized to match the times they persist through.  Who wants to see a Batman movie that still sticks to the same old vision that was displayed in Adam West's days?  Nobody, characters such as these are modernized with the times.

As far as your "preferences" go, it's rather silly as it relates to James Bond.  People had "preferences" that black people sat in the back of a bus and that Japanese immigrants be blocked from entering the country...quite illogical right?  So you're preference that Bond be white, when he is not even a real character without providing good evidence as to why it can't/shouldn't be a black actor is indeed racist, your "preference" is solely based off skin color.  You're talking about society moving forward and accepting people and yet you're not even willing to accept a black man to play a character that isn't even REAL!  You'd have a much more valid argument if the character of Bond had a more prevalent theme of his heritage as it relates to race, but the only "heritage" bond shows in these modern films is his British accent, something Elba has.

And the white washing of black characters as well as other minorities isn't a myth, it's quite real.  Just look at the the movie Red Tails by George Lucas.  He had to pay for the movie out of his own pocket because no Hollywood studio wanted to invest in a movie that had an all black cast.  Basically what they were saying is..."hey, add some white people and we'll fund your film, right now you've got too many blacks involved".  Have previous roles of white actors been redone and given to minority actors? yes, that's no lie.  An issue only arises when these characters portray a specific culture(cleopatra, prince of Persia etc.) for the sake of the stories plot and the changing of the race alters the dynamic of that character.  If 007 is black the dynamic won't be noticeably changed as Bond's culture of being a white British male isn't something explored in the films.

einzart
einzart

@Mr.357 @einzart @ellefolk Oh please .. look at you both. You both who think that Hollywood is trying to white wash Black characters are here to tell me about logic!! Since you want logic, I will give you mine. The first opinion I care about is the producers. If the producers think that casting a Venezuelan Bond(Say) will triple their money, I have no problems with that. I won't like it but  hey .. if ppl flock out of their homes in record numbers and the guy putting the money makes more...why not. But clearly as can be seen, a majority of ppl are opposed to changing the Bond character. The second opinion I care about is mine. I have my preferences and I don't want any punk to come and tell me that having my own preferences is being "racist". Its none of anyone's business what my preferences are. So if someone calls me a racist for having my preference, I will tell them to shove it. Thirdly, since you both have taken it on to yourselves in taking the society forward, let me tell you how a society goes forward. It will when people learn to STFU and learn to accept each other. Don't force your opinions on others. Don't pull the race card for every instance to justify your position. Fourthly, The world may not be enough for Bond, but its more than enough for the rest of us. Which means that we need to learn to share. So I have my opinion on what things should be and you have yours and thats fine. So we can all have something for everyone. Like I said before, the ppl who don't want to change the Bond character are entitled to feel the way they do. You are more than welcome to create another character and you can have what you want. As an example instead of giving idiotic explanations of how our society will move forward by changing a Bond character, we can say.. lets create a 008 series casting a Black or Chinese or whatever. Maybe we can have 007 & 008 together in some movies OR interested parties can create another character of whatever race they want it to be and make a movie. Jason Bourne is an example of one such character who stands on its own. If you don't get it, let me know and I will be back to give you both some more dosage.

ellefolk
ellefolk

@Mr.357 @einzart @ellefolk Honestly, there's no arguing with these people. They have no sense of rationale. That's why they're prejudiced in the first place. 

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart @ellefolk @Mr.357 Neither one of us have gone out and started petitions to get a black James Bond so I'm not sure how you've deemed us philanthropist in this case.  This is something that the producers have suggested, we're merely in support of it and when it comes to people like you, who have no valid reason as to why Elba shouldn't play Bond, well we're opposed to people like you.  And if you're telling us to go film movies with our own money and cast whoever we want, isn't that what the producers of Bond are doing?  They're paying to have the movie made and made a personal decision to consider having a black James Bond...Are you even familiar with the concept of logic??  You're definitely not using it.  And yet again, you still haven't provided a valid reason as to why Idris Elba shouldn't play James Bond.....

einzart
einzart

@ellefolk @Mr.357 @einzart Well yeah. Have you heard of the saying.. Everyone 's a philanthropist with another's money? Thats exactly how it sounds. You want ppl to make movies on your whim because you want something. Try making movies with your own money and you can cast whoever you feel like. And when the movie sinks like a stone its only you who has lost the money. 

einzart
einzart

I am asking you the exact same question!! Why do you want to change the race of Bond? Why is changing his race so important to you and people like you is the question. Don't ask a stupid question of "why not" or don't throw a racism card because ppl who use race card to win an argument are stupid as far as I am concerned. So answer my question first.  

ellefolk
ellefolk

@Mr.357 @einzart Yeah they just announced that today, too. Highest grossing Bond film in the UK.  It made $869 million worldwide...so....not exactly doing terribly. Honestly, I think I could play the role and people would still go see it- they might not be the "diehard" fans but the masses would go because of the name. And in terms of Elba... Idris Elba won a Golden Globe this year, and he's not even really internationally known yet. He has quite a large cult fanbase, internet and offline, largely from Luther.  My dad loves the guy :) I can see him becoming quite big, if he was thrown into an already established franchise.

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart @ellefolk @Mr.357 So if replacing Cleopatra with a known white actress is fine with you why isn't putting Elba in the place of Bond fine with you?  The problem with having her play cleo is that it's historically inaccurate.  cleopatra was a REAL person, Bond is not...changing his race does not become a "problem" like it does with cleo.  If movies are only about making money and we ignore historical FACTS then why not have Denzel Washington play JFK in a film....You still have yet to provide a valid point as to why Elba shouldn't play bond.

einzart
einzart

@ellefolk @einzart @Mr.357 Exactly my point! Who is this "people" that  you refer to who thinks that changing Bond character is the only way our society moves forward?? How stupid is this argument about changing a fictional character's race? Actually who are you people anyway? The fact that you agree with that idiot who thinks that Hollywood tried to "white-wash" African characters talks a lot about your "sense".  Movies is a money making business which means they put actors who can draw the most crowds. They didn't pick a unknown white woman to play cleopatra! They put Elizabeth Taylor! Its ridiculous reasoning like yours that takes our society backwards not forwards. People like you have really screwed up idea of what it means to go forward so don't lecture me on it. 

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart @Mr.357 actually.  No it's not struggling.  The latest skyfall film set a UK record.  It became the most successful movie in the history of the UK.  Did you make as much of a fuss when Sean connery was bond as he was from Scottland and not England?

ellefolk
ellefolk

@einzart @Mr.357 who is people? people like you that are unwilling to changes? people like you are also the reason why we either go backwards, or don't move forwards in society. reinforcing the hegemony, being part of it. 

i know quite literally, hundreds of people that would love to see idris elba, a brilliant BRITISH man play bond. maybe it won't garner the old, white-supremacist crowd, but it will draw in newer, more open-minded audiences. 

einzart
einzart

@Mr.357 @einzart No it doesn't seem like a good match. Bond series will sink like a stone. People were upset with Daniel Craig being bond. Some thought he looked too old or blond or the movies have become Jason statham like. So as it is, Bond is struggling. Like I said, you are more than welcome to make your own characters and movies. For gods sake, its a 2 hour entertainment that people watch every 2 years! Go make your own movies!!

Mr.357
Mr.357

@einzart Elba is british, Bond is british...seems like a good match.  Bond's character is founded on being a spy with cool gadgets, not him being white...

Mr.357
Mr.357

@KevinLeong @ellefolk Elba is actually from Great Britian, your point made is invalid.  The truth is, Bond isn't a character founded on race, this isn't a movie about MLK or Chavez or JFK so changing the race shouldn't be an issue, especially when Elba is actually British.  Most people's fascination with the bond character isn't that he's white, it's that he's a spy with cool gadgets.  Do you really have to be white to play that character?  

KevinLeong
KevinLeong

@ellefolk I'm Chinese here it it was NOT okay to change the character in the last air bender to White. It wasn't okay with Goku in Dragonball Evolution. Now this isn't just me, its with plenty of other ethnicities. Taking a character of color origin away is completely different from giving a white character of origin color.I completely support einzart, Some people might not mind the change but for appearances sake don't change the color of the person, not because i'm being racist but it changes the story once you change the color of the person. For example, if they were to one day have a Chinese Bond. Well is his alliegence really with Britain? Or will it be for his real country?What you're doing is just as bad as racism. You're looking for racism where there isn't racism. Einzart is correct, people want the character preserved because that's how it was written. You may have found someone that agrees with you about a change in color but that's a minority. I myself NEVER want to see a Chinese Bond, nor a Chinese guy playing a white role.

einzart
einzart

@ellefolk This article is really ridiculous. Its like some kind  of perverted obsession to change everything into Black to make a point. Of course if you don't agree you are a "racist". Nonsense.  Bond is not a platform for ppl seeking social justice or something. Whats next?? a Gay Bond, a Lesbian Bond, a handicapped Bond. I mean seriously. I want to know why people want to change Bond into something else (which I think is racist that the character has to change into another race) and not create something of their own. So why stop here if Bond's character is so "fluid". Lets change Bond's country as a Venezuelan serving his Majesty Hugo Chavez. Sounds ridiculous? Thats exactly how ppl like you sound, clamoring to change Bond's character. GO MAKE YOUR OWN BOND-LIKE MOVIES.   

ellefolk
ellefolk

@DerickWald @dominoblox @VincentLovece Uh, you clearly do need to learn your history. Circa 1300, the emperor of Mali brought over so much gold to Europe/Mediterranean  that he disrupted the European economy. And that is just one instance. Africans have been in Europe for hundreds of years, prior to their forced imperial slavery. And your use of the word negro proves that you're not only racist, you're anti-black. Of course, there is probably no reasoning with you, as people like you are generally narrow minded.