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The women of The Daily Show‘s staff yesterday took the unusual step of issuing an open letter in response to a lengthy Jezebel blog post from last month that charged the show had a “problem” with women—specifically, with hiring too few women writers and on-camera talent.

To rehash quickly, blogger Irin Carmon talked to female comics and former staffers, looked at the show’s male-heavy creative staff and noted the dearth of female correspondents between Samantha Bee and new hire Olivia Munn. In broader terms, her piece, and quotes within it, described the comedy show as a “boys’ club” rife with “institutionalized sexism” and characterized Jon Stewart as running TDS “with joyless rage.”(Carmon says the show’s staffers refused comment when she was working on the piece.)

In response, the current female TDS employees argued that women make up 40% of the staff (if not 40% of writers and correspondents) and are in positions with creative input, that the show is a “meritocracy” and that Stewart has supported them through troubles from 9/11 to “inadequately researched blog posts that cling to a predetermined narrative about sexism at The Daily Show.”

Though it may be wimpy to say it, I have to concur with Jaime Weinman and say that both sides have a point here. Carmon’s post is right about the underrepresentation of women at The Daily Show (whether or not the various women producers on staff have input too) and is insightful about the dynamics (both audience makeup and office culture) that not only keep women out of writers’ rooms but make it hard for them to stay in. But this is a problem epidemic in other late-night shows as well, and TV comedy generally, and comedy generally. And while the Jezebel piece frames it as “The Daily Show’s”—and thus Stewart’s—”problem,” it doesn’t really do anything to make the case that this is a particular problem of The Daily Show’s, or even that the show is as bad as its peers. Rather, there seems to be an implication that a comedy show with a liberal point-of-view has a higher standard to meet, or that we would somehow expect it to be less sexist. (Because liberal men aren’t sexist? Check out some of the vitriol against Sarah Palin, or Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary.)

[Update: Or, arguably, the idea is that a comedy show based in moral outrage should be called out for its own outrages more than an apolitical comedy show. Or there's just an assumption that Jezebel readers, and chattering media folks generally, just care more about The Daily Show than, say, Jimmy Kimmel Live. Or all the above.]

On the other hand, the current staffers can charge Carmon with relying on disgruntled former staffers for her piece, but if a show is refusing comment, that’s what you’re left with. Not to mention, disgruntled former staffers are no more or less reliable in their objectivity than, well, gruntled staffers defending their current employer. They could both be right; it’s entirely possible that a boss could be decent and supportive to his employees but also sometimes a hardass who runs an institution whose culture puts up barriers to women. (Just as it’s possible that Munn—who I think has taken a bum rap for having done racy comedy on G4′s Attack of the Show—could have been hired for looks and for comic chops, rather than being a hot babe whose talent is irrelevant.* Though I still like Kristen Schaal better.) On the face of it, there’s no untangling the, well, she-said, she-said.

But I hope all this encourages more people to read Carmon’s piece, because it’s a generally fair, rounded and insightful look at the various issues, not all as simple as boys’-club-ism, that keep women from having a bigger presence in late-night comedy. Are there any rising female comics you’d like to see TDS hire? And what do you think of Munn so far?

*Irony alert: Minutes after posting, I received an e-mail PR pitch for a current Attack of the Show correspondent, describing her as “technology-savvy AND drop dead gorgeous,” so yeah, I’m not unaware of that show’s casting preferences.

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  • lylebot

    I’ve found a lot of the commentary on this distasteful in its barely-concealed “look at the feminists get slapped down” schadenfreude. Thanks for pointing out that the original article does indeed have valid points to make.

  • http://www.stevebeste.com Steve Beste

    Is -gruntled like -heveled? #dis-words.

  • http://dianaparadis.wordpress.com Diana

    I read Salon’s piece by Lauren Weedman, who had many of the same complaints – but by Weedman’s own admission, she ran around that place like an overenthusiastic freak. That’s not discrimination, it’s someone who just doesn’t fit in.

    Samantha Bee and Beth Littleford were the best female correspondents TDS has ever had, I think because they understood the show isn’t about ‘women’s jokes’ (Weedman says she pitched beauty treatment and weight loss bits) but making light of hypocritical people in some way, shape or form. And also about really gross comedy (Beth Littleford visiting a dairy farm, for example).

    Another point: Weedman said in her piece that on her first day, she was assigned the desk of another female correspondent who hadn’t (yet) been fired. Rob Riggle has said that he received calls from TDS randomly – just whenever they had a bit for him – and then wouldn’t hear anything for weeks. It seems that is just how TDS works.

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  • drad098

    I’m going to comment purely on in terms of content :

    The Daily Show is different from other late night shows in that they attempt to deal seriously with a wide variety of issues and subjects. It’s pretty clear they need different kinds of people to do it.

    Since adding Assif and Wyatt they’ve opened up more avenues for themselves. The all white show often seemed limited. It’s made the show better and funnier to have correspondants with their backgrounds.

    I find it hard to believe that adding more women to the writing staff and correspondants couldn’t make a similar improvement.

    I don’t know that they have a moral imperative to represent more viewpoints. I think they’re doing themselves and the audience a disservice.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    It’s sad that this show has to undergo this sort of scandal. It’s always been ahead of the curve in terms of actual news and the mood of the era. I don’t know where I stand in terms of who is right and wrong here, but it’s just sad to see. I hope that both The Daily Show and Stewart are able to recover from it and keep delivering the solid material they have for years. http://www.thesmogger.com

  • gum0nshoe

    Yeah, I can’t say that any of these arguments have merit. Anyone worried about the percentage of a show’s gender count, clearly values the wrong things. Its not about making everything equal, its about making the best show. I’m sure if ANOTHER funny woman came around TDS would snatch her up if she fit in with the crew.

    Worrying about percentages like this is far more sexist than a meritocracy.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    I agree. I don’t get to watch TDS often (or any prime time or late night programming for that matter) because of my work schedule. But when I do manage to catch an episode of TDS, it is hilarious and some of the best news coverage I can find. Its sad when feminists worry so much on percentages and not on actual content of the product. Which is why I’ve never considered myself a feminist.

  • katy93

    I love TDS, but I’m not exactly “shocked, shocked I say, to find there’s sexism going on in this establishment!” It’s not unique to TDS or to late night comedy, and I’m not confident that I know the extent of TDS’s guilt or innocence based on this dialogue. Workplaces that even aspire to gender-neutrality are the exception, not the rule–but that’s true of lots of things. Workplaces almost never have an employee’s interests at heart, and that’s perhaps the one thing that’s always equal.

    But I find it hard to believe that “women’s comedy” has no place on TDS. A smart, funny comic could write news that was both relevant and hilarious. They must not have offered Sarah Haskins enough money.

  • norcalgirl83

    I completely agree!

    I am a liberal woman, and care about women’s rights, but this is just embarrassing. It’s ridiculous that if every department of every workplace isn’t 50% women, you’re some horrible sexist. I wouldn’t want to be hired as a “token female” to fill a quota, I would want it to be based on my skills.

    I feel bad that Jon and everyone at TDS has to go through this!

  • norcalgirl83

    If it were such a hostile environment, why would these women stay 12+ years?

    I saw heard an interview with Sam Bee a while back talking about how supportive and accommodating TDS have been about her pregnancies and children, and no one was forcing her to say that.

  • mimsyborogoves

    If “The Daily Show” continues to step on toes, especially toes that need to be stepped on, it should expect more distractions like this one.

    It is sad that the only media which dare to challenge Government and Big Business (which may be the same thing) are “The Daily Show”, “Rolling Stone” and “The National Enquirer.”

  • ambiotic

    I suggest you read the comments of the post.. and the ones that follow and you see that why so many people are upset

  • olivececile

    Says Weedman, “The irony was that as a woman my comedy came from being kind of insecure, broken, needy, neurotic.”

    Wow, who wouldn’t want to keep someone like that on staff.

    I have no trouble believing TDS is a boy’s club – I have more trouble believing Jon Stewart is a sexist. My guess is that the has a very specific vision for the show, and that vision is informed by his experience, which includes what he thinks is funny. Obviously I’m just making assumptions here, but a lot of the quotes there were about not fitting into a culture because you are too “womanly” in some way – too emotional, too needy, too something. Every organization has a culture, and if you want to last, you need to find a way to work within that. Once you’ve been there a while and have earned some respect you can try to change it, but assuming it will just change for you is rarely fruitful.

    I hate to dismiss what these women have to say – I *do* consider myself a feminist. But the argument here wasn’t made for me.

  • dis2thegruntled

    I read Carmon’s piece, and I have to say that I did not find it “fair, rounded or generally insightful” at all, as Mr. Poniewozik (above) claims he did. Actually, I found her piece unfair and ‘angular’ and drearily dull. It was overly simplistic in its argumentation, and generally looking to pick a fight, the kind of thing that belongs in punditry not in reportage, bloggy or otherwise, if it aspires to balance and fairness. All the sources Carmon quoted were ex-employees (umm, really?) who engaged in a round of he-said, she-said, with Carmon uncritically playing chorus. Not once in the entire article does a named current employee get a word in, nor does any source attribute a single sexist syllable directly to Jon Stewart, or a chauvinist dynamic to the Daily Show. In fact, the opposite comes through, in both cases, the author’s barely-concealed attempts to the contrary aside.

    For the only sane voice to be heard on this issue, read the open letter from the female employees of TDS, ( http://www.thedailyshow.com/message ). Their take on the matter is admirable: feminist in the best and most inclusive sense of the term. I applaud their efforts, and their brave and witty letter.

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