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Lostwatch: All of This Matters

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LOST - "The End" - One of the most critically-acclaimed and groundbreaking shows of the past decade concludes in this "Lost" Series Finale Event. The battle lines are drawn as Locke puts his plan into action, which could finally liberate him from the island, on "Lost," SUNDAY, MAY 23 (9:00-11:30 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) MATTHEW FOX, JORGE GARCIA, EVANGELINE LILLY

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, gather some of your closest friends together in a special place, and watch the last episode ever of Lost.

The great puzzle of the last season of Lost has been: how can both the flash-sideways universe and the Island universe mean anything? If Sideways is the universe in which Oceanic 815 never crashed, who cares what happens on the Island? If the Island is where the characters’ fates are sealed, how can there be any meaning to what happens in the Sideways?

The moving, soulful finale that Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse gave us met that challenge. The Island world, we learned, absolutely mattered to the physical fate of the survivors. (And sci-fi purists ticked over the spiritual ending should at least give it up for this: what happened, did, indeed happen.) And the Sideways world mattered because it was the culmination of the spiritual, moral, human lives–the souls–of the characters.

It mattered, it moved, and it achieved. And before we get into any dissection of the plot logic of the ending (or, retroactively, the entire series), the answers or lack thereof, or the balance between science and faith in the resolution, this has to be said. “The End” was an epic, stirring two and a half hours of television, full of heart and commitment, that was true to Lost’s characters as we knew them from season one. And through elaborate use of symmetries, echoes and callbacks—as well as some go-for-broke acting and a visual grandeur by director Jack Bender that matches the show’s pilot—it brought them powerfully and cathartically full circle.

[Update: By the way, it's too soon for me to judge if I'd put this on my list of the top ten Lost episodes, but if you're interested, here's a gallery of my picks, updated through the rest of season 6.]

Did it work on a plot level? I’m not sure my head is wrapped around the mythology implications of this finale well enough to say right now. And it’s not going to get better wrapped around it by, say, 3 a.m., so I’m going to largely leave that aside for today. I have questions: first, if in fact the Sideways does not exist in the mortal world, then what did it mean when Juliet said the H-bomb detonation “worked”? All it evidently did was kicked the Losties from 1977 to 2007. With the Island safe and no Man in Black, why, how, did Hurley ever die? Why exactly did Locke become mortal? And–a question with a zillion subquestions–would it really have been so damn bad if the Island sank after Locke died?

&c., &c. I have questions that will never be answered. You do. And more will come to me. But at this moment, what’s more important to me is: the dog made me cry.

I guessed about halfway into the episode that Jack would not survive it. This is no work of genius on my part. In a way, the ending was almost so perfect that it’s amazing we didn’t all call it. Certainly people have guessed that the series that began with Jack’s eye opening would end with it closing. And it made perfect sense that Jack, who was meant to die at the end of the original version of the Lost pilot, instead die at the end of the series.

But though I saw that–and knew, as Jack staggered through the bamboo, that he was going out to die precisely where he first came to the Island–all my intellectualizing went out the window when Vincent reappeared as he had in the pilot’s first minutes. The show was returning to its simplest roots: life and death in the wild, and people trying to save other people. Even if you saw the closing eye coming, what that eye saw before it gave up its spark–a plane flying, safe in the sky, with Jack’s friends on board–counts among the loveliest images Lost has produced in six years of them.

[A side note: good advice to future producers trying to keep final scenes secret--make sure it contains only two actors, one of whom is a dog and cannot spill any secrets. In retrospect, Matthew Fox's comment in my interview with him that the finale dealt with "what happens after we die" was even more spoilery than it seemed to me at the time.]

Now, yeah: this whole afterlife thing. I suspect some fans are complaining that the Sideways reveal was a cheat, because Cuse and Lindelof said long ago that Lost wasn’t about Purgatory. In fact, the popular theory they refuted was that the Island was Purgatory, and indeed it wasn’t–by making the Island mortal life, and the Sideways, well, some sort of afterlife, they actually managed to find a way to use a “debunked” theory, while hiding it in plain sight. (A loophole, if you will.)

You could argue that the Flash Sideways was entirely unnecessary. You know what? You would be right. On a plot level, you did not need it at all. It had no direct bearing on what happened on the Island. It turned out that, unlike what some of us thought (including maybe Island Desmond), Sideways Desmond’s efforts to “awaken” his friends had no bearing on saving the Island or defeating Locke. You could have simply picked up season six in 2007, had everyone realize that Juliet’s smacking the bomb did not undo the Oceanic crash, and ended the series with Jack dying and a few of his friends escaping.

You could, but you would have given up an emotionally powerful ending whose spirituality–though it may rankle some as Battlestar Galactica’s ending did–bothered this big fat secular agnostic not one bit. To me, the closing of Lost was not telling me that I do or do not have an immortal soul; it was telling me what these characters lives meant. And that meaning, like all our lives’ meaning, derived from the interactions they had with, and the memories they shared with, other people.

You could take that literally, as in: this is a picture of what happens when you die. Or you could take it metaphorically, as in: this is a story using spiritual imagery to depict the lasting legacy of human contact. (I personally see it that way, in the same way that I believe that religious scriptures are not literally true and yet are some of our most powerful and important stories regardless. Your mileage may vary, as they say on the Internet.)

It was, in other words, like the symbols on the church windows indicated, a Unitarian ending. It could be explained through any or all of the spiritual traditions depicted there, or none. It could be a literal event, or Jack’s last dying memory, or the workings of some Jungian universal consciousness. (In the same way, as I’ve said, the golden water, and now the Giant Bathtub Drain, work for me; they’re no more outlandish root explanations than “giant pocket of electromagnetic energy.” One is “science,” one is “faith,” but both are ways of describing phenomena beyond our ken.) It was, to me, not about literal Heaven so much as memory: something you make together with the people you love, so you can find them when they’re gone.

What it was, regardless, was a *story*, which showed the characters realizing the struggles we had seen them work through on the Island. So the state they reached in the Sideways was, in fact–as we often suspected through season 6–too perfect. The characters had more completely overcome their demons than they did on the Island world. But this perfection itself was not enough. Without the pain, and struggle of the physical world, and without the actual memory of it, their happiness was meaningless.

They didn’t all get to complete those journeys in the actual, physical world. Because the actual, physical world is not perfect. The important thing, and what Lost over six years showed–along with a hell of a loopy, inventive sci-fi tale–was how each of them shouldered their burdens and tried, with varying degrees of success, to let go.

Before I get too college-dorm-room-talk with all this, though, back to the actual mechanics of the episode. First, the performances, and chief among them I have to give it up to Matthew Fox. I’ve had my issues with Jack as a character over the years–my feelings ranging from irritation to admiration that Cuselof would make such an irritating guy the center of the show–but he acted the hell out of this finale, both action and emotion. When he finally clasps his father–not Smokey-in-disguise but his father–and sobs, you can feel the weight lifting from him. And when he lays himself down in the bamboo and smiles, laughs at Vincent walking up–a gorgeous last display of childlike happiness–he sells Jack’s relief at giving up life, at his work being done, at having, finally, fixed things.

Yet he also sold Jack’s confidence and determination as he committed himself to face down Locke. And that–from the march through the jungle to the breathtaking fight scene on the rocks to his descent into “hell”–sold the episode’s suspenseful narrative drive, in a season that had sometimes lacked it. (And there were other strong performances around him, like Jorge Garcia showing Hurley’s horror at the enormity of running the Island.)

“The End” was an episode of ripping action (and, of course, a lush musical finish for Michael Giacchino), and an elegant narrative construction. Cuselof are lovers of symmetries (the entire arc of Lost is a kind of butterfly shape, expanding out both ways from the end of season three as a fulcrum). And “The End” was packed with mirrors and callbacks: the Apollo bar in the candy machine, the scene of Kate helping deliver Aaron, and, especially, Locke and Jack’s peering down into the Well of Light, a parallel to the glowing Hatch at the end of season one.

Which brings us back to science and faith. Just as “The End” found a way that both the Flash Sideways and the Island universe would matter, it finally found a way that Locke’s faith-based worldview and Jack’s science-based one would be vindicated. (And not simply because they ended up arguing opposite sides; as each told the other, they have also both been wrong.) In the end, it was right that they were brought to the Island for a purpose; but it was also true that what happened, happened. Empirical answers and physical reality–say, that of duct tape–did affect the physical outcome; and yet without the spiritual endgame, what would it mean?

“The End,” and thus season six, and thus Lost, was not perfect, because nothing is. I still believe that Jacob and the Man in Black were never characterized as richly as other characters, like Ben, which rendered Locke in the end too much of a generic baddie. And the final images–with the heavenly light shining though the doorway of the chapel, as Christian walked into it a la Close Encounters–were a bit overly touched by an angel.

But the finale, as good TV finales do, captured what the show’s essence. Lost is a story about community, connections and interdependence. You live together, it told us, or you die alone. And when you live together–when you share of yourself and make meaning with others–you never die alone, even when you die bleeding out on the floor of a bamboo forest.

We didn’t see Walt. We didn’t learn about the Egyptian imagery. And now, yes, we also have to wonder who carved out that perfectly round bathtub plug at the core of the Island. For tonight, I have the answers that mattered. And I got them in a way that was moving and real and right enough that, as for the rest–I can let go.

And now, to paraphrase Kate, I saved a hail of bullets:

* So, yeah, I think we’ve established that this was a finale with a good bit of religious imagery. But there’s more–Jack, for instance, bleeding from a wound in his side? Anyone with greater religious training than I care to point out some more?

* Why are only the major characters in the chapel at the end? Maybe they’re the only ones ready to let go. Or maybe it’s just that they’re together because they mattered to each other. I’d like to think that, somewhere, there’s another chapel, where Frogurt and Arzt, Nikki and Paulo are letting go together.

* Loved Miles’ curtain-call one liner: “I don’t believe in a lot of things. But I believe in duct tape.”

* I’ve said before that to know Lost is to know Star Wars and “The End” did not disappoint with the callouts: first, Hurley likening Jacob to Yoda, then giving that classic Star Wars refrain, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”

* Also, as usual, Lost did an excellent job of commenting on itself as the action unfolded. On the episode’s religious allusions, Kate: “Christian Shephard? Really?” And Locke on Jacob’s choice of Jack: “I expected to be more surprised. You’re kind of the obvious choice, don’t you think?”

* While I thought the finale was tremendously satisfying on a character level, it inevitably did service every character as well as others. I wished, for instance, that Ben had a more active role–that he made some more active moral choice–in the endgame. I wanted more for my favorite Daniel than to rock out some classical piano in Justin Timberlake’s hat. And you may or may not be more invested in the Sayid/Shannon love affair than I am.

* On the other hand, too many waterworks moments here for me to count, especially Sawyer and Juliet’s candy-machine reunion.

* Non-story-related complaint: I think that when the finale was expanded to 2.5 hours, ABC gave Cuselof five more minutes for story and kept 25 extra minutes for commercials. Good lord, that was ad overload.

* “Looks like you got your first gray hair.” Are we to infer that Richard became mortal? If so, was it from the same cause that made Locke mortal? (And does that explain our discovering that Hurley eventually died?)

* All of which raises the question: if I am, as I say above, a big fat agnostic, why am I ultimately OK with a story involving an Island protected by unnaturally long-lived God-men? Because I’m watching a show with a giant monster made of smoke, that’s why.

* So the spoilery scene I witnessed shooting on location when I visited the set? The scene on the rocks where Ben radios Lapides and a wounded Jack says goodbye to Kate and Sawyer. (When Kate announced that Locke was dead, the horrified publicist with me said, “You cannot write that!”) Also, I learned in interviews that the key scene in the end of the episode was between Jack and Christian, but decided it was too spoilery to write up beforehand.

* I’m running out of steam, so I’m going to wrap up here. I’ll probably come back tomorrow to add updates, or amend anything particularly idiotic I find I wrote. But mainly, it’s all yours now. Because that’s what Lost has been about above all to me: collaboratively making sense of it with friends, and Mrs. Tuned In, and you, the smartest TV blog-commenters on the Internet here at Tuned In. Please stick around for whatever comes along after Lost. And thank you for helping make this place together.

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  • http://pitypie.com PityPie

    I adored it. Phenomenal.

  • antilles13

    Absolutely loved it. Jin’s little smile when Sawyer walked into that hospital room and announced he was a cop – I haven’t laughed that hard in a long damn time.

  • gmiverson

    Epic finale. Beautifully, beautifully done.

  • http://journeysintv.wordpress.com/ Zach

    I thought it was fantastic, but I am really, really glad I don’t have to write 2000+ words analyzing it.

  • plukasiak

    very (and surprisingly, given the last two seasons) well done. It was great to see Juliet again — and to see her wind up with Sawyer. And thank goodness that Rose and Bernard were at the church!

    Biggest annoyance — what was Penny doing at the Church? She never died IIRC, and the only way that the finale makes any sense is that if the nuclear bomb at the end of season five killed all the characters, and season six ‘sideways world’ was an afterlife ‘fantasy’

  • mcklowry

    Still processing myself. I think I liked it? I definitely won’t enjoy listening to people complain about being left in the dark regarding the fate of Sawyer, Kate and co., but it was bold and I respect that.

  • olivececile

    Totally worked for me; while I didn’t like this season in general, Darlton did a lovely job of summing up what was important and allowing me to forget the areas i saw as weak. Really nicely done, with fantastic performances throughout, and a good ratio of action to emotional heft. Farewell, Lost.

  • olivececile

    Christian said that some of them died long after, implying that some characters (Penny, the group on the Ajira flight, Ben and Hurley) may have lived long lives in between the last shot of Jack and the reunion in the Church.

  • mcklowry

    The key to your question is in the conversation Jack had with his father. He stated some had died before and after Jack. So it doesn’t matter when they died, they all ended up in the flash-sideways to head into the afterlife together.

    So Hurley and Ben probably protected the island for years. Kate, Sawyer, etc. went off and led other lives, unless you’d prefer to believe the plane crashed. Up to you my friend.

  • itsrainingkarma

    Plukasiak, they didn’t die during the Nuke, they all died at different times. The alternate world was just something they created so they could all be together. Basically, you could imagine they were all in purgatory, then when the last of the group died this alternate world was created so they could all be together and move on together. The world of the Island was real. They all just died at different times.

    It was an amazing ending! Absolutely loved it.

  • jmpitrelli

    Who created the alternate world? Why are we all pretending like this makes any sense? James, hurry up and make some sense of it for the rest of us!

  • certifiablylazy

    there is no “now” now

  • certifiablylazy

    they are the memories waiting for each of us when we pass

  • mcklowry

    @jmpitrelli It’s up to you really. You can believe Hurley is responsible based on his convo with Ben or you can also believe this is how things naturally work.

  • Frugal Gal

    Posted a version of this on the other thread from earlier, but added a bit more.

    Jack died on the island after fixing the “cork” or whatever, after doing whatever it was he was supposed to do. Vincent kept him company as he died. Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, Richard, Kate, and Claire all made it back to the world and died whenever they died. Hurley went on to be the guardian of the island and Ben helped him and the died whenever they died.

    So, their “common experience” on the island gave them a way to create the sideways world — not a purgatory, but a waiting area. None of them were ready to move on without one another. And, as we saw, not all of them were ready to move on — Daniel, Ana-Lucia, etc. And it also makes sense that Eloise Hawking wanted to be in the waiting room and wanted Daniel there with her. Her “knowing” didn’t make her want to leave, she had a life she wanted to experience with her son. And that’s why she didn’t want Desmond to take him.

    Time didn’t matter in the waiting area. That’s why the time was always off on that side — by my count, Sun would have ended up in the hospital about 3 days after the plan landed. But, in 3 days, Locke was able to get fired, get another job as a sub, get hit by a car, get operated on, recover, get back to school, and then get ANOTHER operation? It doesn’t work.

    They came together at the point that mattered most to them: Jack, when he was with Kate, Sawyer with Juliet, etc. That’s who they decided to be in the reality they jointly created.

    When were they at their best? Hurley when he was with Libby, he got to experience love. Sayid’s relationship with Shannon was the time when he was just a man in love, not a former torturer who was only ever going to be violent.

    And Ben when he was OCCASIONALLY a good father to Alex, at least when he was truly trying to love her. Make sense Ben wasn’t ready — he had some work to do, dealing with Alex issues, and I think he still had some other atoning to do. But he obviously spent time working with Hurley, so he lived after the island, and Hurley seems to expect to see him one day. Michael wasn’t ready because he still had to atone for murdering Libby and Ana-Lucia. Walt wasn’t there because a) he’s too tall and, b) you can argue that no one else in that group had enough of a tie to him to bring him.

    I am still wrapping my head around it, and I am still not 100% comfortable with them all being dead (even though, as Christian said, everyone dies at some point). It honestly makes me sad.

    They lived together and yet many of them died (or we can assume they died) alone. But they got to love each other forever anyway. I guess that’s a happy-ever-after.

    I am going to miss the hell out of this show.

  • chaimy4life

    I just need one long explanation as if I were an 8 year old. Someone please help me out. I have class at 8 in the morning.

  • tdroyers

    Ben said to Hugo he could run things differently than Jacob. Earlier in the season, Michael said he could never leave the Island because of the things he had done. I think that comment was not meant to be taken lightly (do you find it interesting that Ben couldn’t leave either?). I think Hugo changed things, created the sideways world so that those from the flight *could* in fact leave purgatory and go on together. The stain glass window at the end, when Jack talked to his father, was a nice touch with symbols from major religions all over the world.

    I’m going to believe that Hugo made it so that they could go on together, because as Ben said he did what he does best …. care about people. Certainly, he (with Desmond) was calling the shots in Purgatory world.

    What a great ending.

  • antilles13

    Here’s the short version: they all died, eventually, just as everyone does. They waited for each other before “moving on” (as Christian put it).

    Live together, or die alone. Why not both?

  • jremigio

    I’ll need more time to wrap my head around it all, but it seems the entire flash-sideways storyline existed only as a way for Darlton to end the show. It had no bearing on the main storyline at all in which Jack indeed died.

    The coolest part about Christian’s speech is that it worked on different levels:. At face value, it’s a father’s advice to his son, but it also worked to recognize the shared experience of the cast, crew, and fans.

  • mcklowry

    @antilles13 Oh! Love your point about live together, die alone.

  • Dave

    Loved it. I’ll have plenty to unpack and breakdown tomorrow. I’ll find stuff I didn’t like. But my gut reaction is that I loved it; it’s sheer, unbridled contentment. Beautiful. Well done. I wish I could find Darlton and shake their hands :)

  • ophelia24

    You’re going to have to work to make me like it. Frankly, I was hoping for something a bit less… fan-pleasing. As in, part of the show’s appeal has been doing crazy things that radically change paradigms. And yet, all we got here was an alternate universe created just to give every character an essentially happy (or fulfilling) ending. It was like the writers saw the BSG ending and thought “Hey, everybody liked the characters getting closure, but most of them complained about that crazy way we tied it up. Let’s skip the tying up part and just give the people what they want!”

    And that’s alright, for a standard network show. But, honestly, eternal happiness = that one person you met for a few months and loved like it was something eternal? It’s just… boring. It doesn’t feel true to what made Lost a great show.

    Anyone else feel like the finale was all rather…. lackluster?

    (On the other hand, it probably also doesn’t help that this ending sapped a lot of the impact of the character deaths because, well, they all come back and get happy! What’s to worry about? I want nuance, darn it! I want risks! I want complexity! And this just wasn’t it).

    (PPS: I’m probably still just bitter about Juliet. And yes, I teared up when she and Sawyer got back together. Harumph!)

  • Dave

    It doesn’t feel true to what made Lost a great show.
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    The characters made Lost a great show, and I thought this was absolutely true to the characters. I’ll say the same thing I said to the folks who hated the BSG ending: love it or hate it, this is where they show was always going. This was always what they were going to do. That’s why they killed people off so easily. Did it never bug you that they killed off Charlie before Claire and Aaron got the ring, and that Claire never got Charlie’s list?

  • loststilllost

    I, like many here, am satiated. But, I’m a little baffled by the question I can’t shake. (Baffled because it’s a dumb question, but I ask it anyway.) What does this mean for Jack’s flash-sideways kid? Are there whole children that only exist in a waiting room?

  • Dave

    One last thing before I go to bed:

    At this point, looking back at it, one of the top lines for me was awakened Kate looking Jack in the eye and saying, so sincerely, “I’ve missed you so much!”

  • Mipiace

    I so had the same question. Since the last time we saw the kid on screen I kept asking, but “Where’s their (Jack and Juliet’s) son?”

    Trivial in the scope of things, yes, but still wondering about it.

  • chaimy4life

    Thank you! All these comments have helped. I really like Frugal Gal pointing out the discrepancies in the flash-sideways timeline. Thank you all.

  • Mipiace

    I really loved it. Still have a lot of thoughts running around my head. Now I just have to figure out a way to turn my brain off so I can get some sleep….

  • andrewraff

    Agreed completely– it seems like the sideways universe was created to allow the fans and producers to revisit characters who died, rather than to serve the story.

  • http://wolfgrinmiller.wordpress.com wolfgrinmiller

    Terrible. But let me tell you why…

    What has been done here is something that could only be done on TV – it’s the kind of thing that drives most conventional writers nuts, but keeps the ratings high – and it’s all about how to avoid answering questions in the end by layering on the sap. And I mean they laid it on THICK. Lots of tears and comforting moments in happy, ethereal realities to cover up that fact that no one in charge of directing the flow of this show’s plot had any idea what they were talking about. The hatch, the numbers, the island, the light, the energy, the smoke, the visions of the dead deep in strange jungles, statues with four toes, the Initiative, none of it was or ever will be explained because there is no explanation. It’s just time-filling fantasy to give them a chance to build up characters you’ll be loyal to, then when it’s time to draw the curtain – they turn on the waterworks.

    Awful stuff really. A big let-down for me.

  • chelsea15jk

    :-/ I’ve read all the comments…and I still don’t really get it. Why did they insist on moving on so fast? Not that they’ve all found eachother, why couldn’t they live life in the flashsideways? Grrr…

    I guess I’m just upset that it’s over.

    :’(

    But I’ll let you guys talk it out, and come back tomorrow to try and wrap my head around things. 3 1/2 hour math class tomorrow morning!

    Also, I’m kinda sad about MIB.

  • arcticred

    It seemed that they borrowed the endings from both “Sixth Sense” and “Titanic.”

    Otherwise, a great finale.

  • 303pinky

    I completely agree with you. I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy some of the sap…but this is what we get after 6 years????? So many unanswered questions. All that silly stuff this season about the temple and that guy who didn’t like to speak English…what that heck was all that? I can’t believe I have spent so many hours watching and hoping for answers only to get…this!

  • plukasiak

    the problem I have with the “its okay Penny is there because she dies (much) later” explanation is that it creates an irrational perspective for the finale — either its a collective ‘after death reality’ of those who were on the island, or its an individual (i.e. Jack’s) ‘after death reality’. Otherwise, there would have been a whole lot more people in that church.

  • Frugal Gal

    Which is a completely sensible thing for someone who hasn’t seen Jack in a very long time to say. She lived for a while after Jack died.

  • jmpitrelli

    This was very smartly put. Its funny to watch people talk themselves into loving the finale, as if the idea of having wasted 6 years of watching this show is too much to bare. So what you get is people pretending to understand and appreciate.

  • ophelia24

    What bugs me is Nadia. Sayid loved Nadia and Shannon. Honestly, it seemed like Nadia meant more. It’s what Smocke tempted him with. It’s what his flash-sideways was, for the most part. And yet he ends up with Shannon. I’m sure we could come up with some theory to give the writers the benefit of a doubt, but honestly I think the writers just wanted to give people their happy ending and reunite the main cast. Nadia is just emblematic of the problem with creating a pat ending that I don’t think did justice to a series that was, at many points, a great deal more ambitious than this.

  • Frugal Gal

    Remember, Cuse and Lindelof said that the show was ultimately about love, not science. The finale totally bore that out.

  • mcklowry

    I agree. They were definitely two of my least favorite characters, but this line spoke so well to what the flash-sideways world was. Kate went on and likely lived a full life. This line was one of the few comments about this time. She didn’t give us anything concrete, but we know she missed Jack. It was touching. And at least we won’t have to listen to angry shippers. Sawyer and Kate could have easily ended up together, but Kate/Jack and Sawyer/Juliet ended up together in the end. Everyone’s happy!

  • btmorex

    Well, just from reading some of the comments here, I’m so happy I stopped watching after season 1. You could tell even back then that they had no idea where they were taking the show. They just kept adding more weird stuff without explaining anything.

  • thalasseri

    The key there is Locke’s comment to Jack that he doesn’t have a son. The alternate timeline was a virtual “reality” constructed by the Losties, a place where they would all eventually congregrate after they died (at various times in the real world) before moving on (to heaven, reincarnation, whatever you’d like to posit).

    That reality is populated with all sorts of characters other than the Losties, but Jack’s son, in particular, was an artifact of Jack’s desires (such as his longing for a good father-son relationship), and a way to work off some issues before Jack became ready to move on.

  • denisemorris

    I liked it. A lot to think about, but it was beautiful and fitting.

    Loved, loved, loved the very last scene with Jack in the jungle.

  • antilles13

    You guys are like the right-wing Republicans who didn’t like The West Wing b/c of the politics. You think this was a show about numbers? About a smoke monster? Maybe you just spent the last six years missing the point. Oh, well. To each his own I guess.

  • des1989

    It took me a while to figure out what happened at the end. Then I realized I didn’t like it. After some more thinking, I found I did like it. After contemplating it even more, I decided it was the perfect ending. So those of you who didn’t like it, which of course is your prerogative, all I can suggest is that you think about it a little more before making your final decision. Let me break my interpretation down:

    The Flash Sideways was never really what we originally were led to believe it was: the result of Juliet detonating the nuke, making it so that Oceanic 815 never crashed. As it turns out, the bomb didn’t work as they intended, although it did bring everyone in 1977 back to the present time. What we thought was the “split timeline” was actually a sort of staging ground for their souls, a place where they all could meet before “moving on” after they all eventually died. As another commenter pointed out, “Live together, die alone.”

    I think what Christian Shepherd said at the end was very important: (I’m paraphrasing) There is no “now” here. Some of the characters died early in the show (Boone, Charlie, etc.); others died later in the series (Locke); Jack died at the very end; others got off the island and lived their lives (Kate, Sawyer) but died eventually; Hurley became the new protector of the island, and Ben was his “advisor”–they lived for a very long time but also eventually died. Since there is no “now” in the sideways universe, they are all united in death simultaneously.

    At first, this made me feel uneasy. Mostly, this was because I was REALLY attached to the original flash-sideways idea–an alternate timeline. But this new conception has been growing on me, and at the very least, it resolves everything. And that speech Christian gave at the end (complete with the spiritual imagery in the camera shot) was perfect. I was hoping they would bring him back, but more importantly, I’m glad that it was Christian who provided the explanation of the flash-sideways.

    One thing that bothered me was that it seemed rather arbitrary to have Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Claire and Richard leave, while Hurley, Ben, and Desmond stayed. But even this is starting to grow on me. I guess I was taken a bit by surprise, so I need a minute to take it all in.

    I’m still not sure what purpose the Man in Black served. How would things have turned out differently if he left the island? What, exactly, were the stakes?

    Final thoughts: I’m glad we got to see the “real Locke” again. But I wish we could have had more screen time with him. I really do.

    (Apologies for the length)

  • Rorschach

    I really enjoyed it. There will be those that say “Why have all the mythology if in the end it was all about the characters?”

    The answer to that is “Because it helped make the show entertaining as hell.” I don’t need any more than that. I want each hour to be as entertaining as possible, for as many seasons as that makes sense for. And that’s what happened.

    Walt, the four toed statue, the numbers… how freaking awesome was that? Those can and should still be enjoyed even without complete ‘resolution.’ As James and many others have implied, it’s silly to judge season 2 based on the end of season 6. I love this series. And I really enjoyed the finale.

  • Frugal Gal

    No, the Nadia/Shannon thing makes total sense to me. Sayid was never going to be able to just be a man with Nadia, he was always and ONLY EVER going to be a former torturer. Remember what Hurley said to him, that he had to quit letting other people tell him who he was? Sayid went to that “sideways/afterlife” believing himself to be a horrible person, condemned to a life of violence, never able to fully commit to Nadia.

    But with Shannon, he was just a man. When he was with her on the island, his past didn’t matter to him. I think part of that waiting area was not just being with the people you loved, but also the people who made you WHOLE. Shannon did that for Sayid.

  • jremigio

    Yes, separate the flash-sideways from the main storyline completely and everything makes a lot more sense.

  • thalasseri

    Lost may have borrowed a lot of ideas (from Stephen King and others) over the years, but the alternate-world,
    as a congregation point for connected souls to sync up before moving on together (rather than as a purgatory entered and left as individuals) seems quite original and a wonderful extension of the live together, die alone philosophy that was the driving force of this whole journey.

    I especially liked the timelessness of the alternate-world (“there is no Now here”) where we saw it as Jack being the last to enter the terminus point – although presumably all the others who flew off the island lived on for many years after he died.

    There’s a lot to think about – and I’m sure James’ hail of bullets will enumerate them all ;-)

    A couple of things stewing in my mind – the “rules” have a different connotation somehow, now. As in Eloise’s earlier mention of Desmond “violating the rules” – are these now rules established by the collection of Lost folk, after they died but before they moved on? Or perhaps Hurley laid out new rules, based on his affection for all his Lost friends?

    Desmond’s role is puzzling – he essentially “traveled” back from the afterworld into real-Island time – and things didn’t work out as he thought they would, when he uncorked the light-stopper. Lots of angles to explore there, such as how this action made Smokey mortal again…

    Ah well, gotta try and get some sleep and let this all settle in.

    My instant reaction – loved this episode from the first minute to the very last.

  • dfleishman

    Ooh, I can answer one of your questions!

    Juliet never said the bomb worked. She said “it worked.” All of her speech was coming from the sideways universe. She said “it worked” when Sawyer unplugged the candy machine and was able to retrieve the snack (followed by the coffee/ go dutch dialogue). A very clever ruse on the writers’ parts.

    The bomb never “worked,” it was always meant to go off.

    Great thoughts on Lost as always. I’ll miss your reviews!

  • Rorschach

    As for Jack’s wound in his side, Jesus was stabbed in a similar manner by a spear during/before his crucifixion. That’s just on memory though, so…

    Also, as for Juliet’s “It worked.” Did it? She was talking about the candy bar falling. So yeah, that worked, we inferred that she meant the nuke, but I don’t think anymore that that’s the case. Now, I’m not going to try and reconcile that any further, but it’s an immediate answer.

    Finally, I would just like to share that during the birthing scene when Kate, and then Claire, flashed, I kept thinking “If this baby flashes I’m going to die laughing.” Then of course I died laughing. Which is more manly in front of friends than dying crying, so I’ll take it.

  • Rorschach

    Sigh, beaten to the punch. Yes, what dfleishman said, especially about missing your reviews. The community and discussions about Lost are as amazing as the show, and that wouldn’t be possible without peeps like y’all, amongst which you’ve always been tops. Thanks.

  • edquilang

    HAHAHA! I was thinking the same exact thing about that baby part! My family was looking at me like I was crazy when I laughed out of nowhere in that “touching” moment, if not, I probably would have sighed out of happiness (like I did with the other ones) if I wasn’t laughing so hard. Anyway, I loved this episode, even if I didn’t understand some parts.

    I just registered to post this as well!

  • dholton

    I have to say that I loved the finale. Truly, despite all the moving reunions, I didn’t quite lose it until the very end, when I say that Jack didn’t “die alone”, but with Vincent at his side.

    Anyway, the only thing I wanted to point out, which I found hugely amusing was this: It was still, as always, Jack the one who required the biggest Cluestick to finally get it. The man is stubborn as a mule.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    When it comes to Locke becoming mortal and Richard suddenly getting a gray hair, I think when Desmond pulled the “stopper” he literally shut down the forces that permitted them to live for so long.

    But would it have been so bad to let Locke/Smokey leave the island? I’m not sure I ever fully understood the reasons he couldn’t leave the island, or what Jacob had been protecting the island from.

    And with Locke dead, what did Hurley have to protect the island from, exactly?

    The ending was phenomenal. The acting superb. I cried when Sawyer and Juliet found their way back to one another. And also with Claire and Charlie–I laughed when he was on stage and just kept staring at her. Kate’s simple statement to Jack “I missed you so much” was heartfelt and funny.

    On the other hand, I was left staring at the tv for several minutes after it was all over thinking That’s what they’re giving us? The sideways world as a kind of waiting room so they can all go on to Heaven together? Sappy. And rather lazy on the writers’ part.

  • jeia56

    Just to clarify a bit. After Jesus spoke his last words and died, a Roman soldier wanted to make sure he was actually dead, so he stabbed him in the side with a spear. Blood and water came squirting out.

  • dwhitcomb

    Loved it. It was everything I could have hoped for and it delivered a fantastic emotional punch. A very fitting end to the phenomenon that was Lost.

  • jeia56

    Wow. Fantastic ending. Loved every second of the finale. I’m still trying to completely wrap my head around it. Such an epic, awe inspiring episode. Where do I even begin? It was intense, suspensful, fantastically paced. Beautiful camera work by Jack Bender. He truly captured the scope of the episode with his sweeping panoramic shots. Such amazing acting, especially by Mathew Fox and Terry O’Quinn. They both deserve emmy nominations.

    Now, having said all that, it was not perfect. I agree with some people about the ending being a bit lazy/cop-out, but a the same time, I am completely satisfied. I think I will enjoy this ending more than I would some sort of crazy time travel sci-fi ending.

    In the end, Lost was telling the story of the survivors of a plane crash. I think it’s telling that neither Jacob nor the MIB were in this episode. My biggest fear was that the entire series was going to be explained away by the machinations of these two men. Glad to know I was wrong about that.

    I can’t wait to rewatch this entire series from the beginning.

  • jeia56

    And did anyone else watch the Kimmel after show? That guy had some pretty interesting thoughts on the show.

  • elkaba

    Great show. Great finale. Too many commercials-very irritating. I’m really surprised no one’s mentioned the “Jacob’s Ladder” possibility. The very last scene, with the original wreckage rusting in the sand, has me thinking perhaps they all died during the crash of Oceanic 817.

    Forget time, not just in the sideways flash, but since the beginning of the show. The Island always seemed to be an out-of-reality place where the principal characters had to endure trials specifically designed to help each overcome whatever flaws they each had life. Once they succeeded in repairing their character, they “died” on the island and moved on to the next step- a staging area, or the sideways world where they got to enjoy living with what they had learned.

    Remember it was not until Desmond starting getting these people back together that they were even aware of each other and their shared trials on the island. Every (crazy) thing about the island was designed to facilitate the completion of each person’s character. Those who failed, remain trapped.

    The way I see it, Jack may have been dead when he opened his eyes at the beginning. His “death” on the island, at the very end, occurred when he had finally completed his preparation for moving on from his physical death as an imperfect person in an imperfect world to what came next.

    Notably Sun and Jin’s child is absent at the church, because it was never born. Its conception on the island and everything after was part of what they went through to pass on.

    Aaron was in the church as an infant, because he died with Claire during the crash.

    If the island was real, the plane that took off over Jack could not have left without knowing the magic heading.

    Anything else in support of they were dead from the beginning?

  • franny7

    ” The characters had more completely overcome their demons than they did on the Island world. But this perfection itself was not enough. Without the pain, and struggle of the physical world, and without the actual memory of it, their happiness was meaningless.

    They didn’t all get to complete those journeys in the actual, physical world. Because the actual, physical world is not perfect. The important thing, ..was how each of them shouldered their burdens and tried, with varying degrees of success, to let go”.

    That may be the best thing ever written about The End, and the journey of this show.
    Thanks, James, for some great closure…

  • franny7

    yeah, that was good, but I was a little disappointed; expected more. Then went online for the audience Q & A and that was awful!! the dumbest questions ever…eventually Jimmy asked, doesn’t anyone have questions about the story or the ending; very lame.

  • rhys1882

    Everyone dies eventually Alan. I loved the reference between Hurley and Ben that suggests they lived a long life working together with Ben as the new Richard.

  • fremont22

    Loved it! But I’m curious about something (well, many things):

    Any thoughts as to why Vincent showed up as a puppy in the last scene, instead of a full grown dog?

  • axissport

    I question whether you actually watched the show.
    The hatch was built to release magnetic energy after the incident. The numbers represented the Losties (those numbers were next to their names in the cave and Jacob’s looking glass thingy). The smoke and visions of the dead are attributable to the MIB.

    Not everything was answered and I still have questions, but you seem pretty off base with your critique.

  • imaryma

    The Lost finale was an end
    To a question filled T.V show,
    Raising more questions, it did tend
    To star death, that we just don’t know.
    It makes sense that none did survive
    The series opener plane crash.
    What makes sense while we are alive,
    May in death be gone in a flash,
    And instead we may sense a mix
    Of dreamlike living in more ways,
    Until inside us something clicks.
    Then we move on to new role plays.

    So when I die, I hope I do
    Become a member of Lost 2.

  • ej02

    Very satisfied. I am very happy that the show ended how Lindelof and Abrams intended and left it open for our interpretation. It just leaves the door open for more great discussion, theories, and clever observations. I don’t mind being “Lost” forever!

    Also:

    So did anyone notice Jin’s voice and speech after he remembered and was talking to Sawyer was not the broken-up fobby English and low pitched voice that we’re all used to, but Daniel Dae Kim’s real higher pitched voice and perfect speaking English?

    Just thought that was funny.

  • ej02

    and i thought they would show who was shooting at the canoe when the time travelers were paddling through the ocean at the beginning of season 5. oh well.

    what other questions went unanswered?

    - Walt’s significance.
    - When did the island sink in the flash sideways since they say Ben and Roger Linus used to live on it? Did it sink due to the bomb?
    - Who lived on the island before Jacob and Smokey’s “Mom”?
    - Since Ben wanted to rule the island and Hurley asked for his help, wouldn’t Ben try to manipulate Hurley or kill him to get full control? I didn’t completely see a change in Ben while on the island (flash sideways doesn’t count)
    - But was there anyone on the island to control?
    - Did they bring other people to the island?
    - Why couldnt the island sink and why couldn’t the light go out?
    - How did Jacob or the island keep people from finding the river with the light or even Jacob’s Cabin?
    - Did the other “Others” die after Widmore shot them with darts?

    What else shall we ask?

  • That Guy

    James, I’m not an expert on Chapels but do they normally have the symbol of 8 or 6 popular religions hanging around?

    Also, I believe the reason why the 3 turned mortal (Jack included since he was the new Jacob) was because the plug was unplugged. (How can Jacob/Jack’s touch work if they were powerless?) Replugged Hurley and Ben could have been there as long as they needed to.

    As for why the Island, after all of that, needs to exist? Well, to me it appears to have made all of those people happy, made family out of those who have none. I’m sure history will be repeated on the Island….but with less death now that Hurley is running things.

  • lateralmile

    My theory: the nuke DID split the timeline. But the newly-created universe is paradoxical, so it doesn’t work by the rules of regular time. It is what’s known as a closed timelike curve. Causality breaks down in CTCs, so determinism cannot exist there. Only free will. That world is what the people make of it. And so they have the opportunity to alter their fates in ways that were impossible when they were being influenced by forces like Jacob, the Island, and destiny. And because it is timeless, they can work through their issues until they are ready to let go.

    Watch “LA X” again. Bomb goes off – transition to the sideways universe. Cause & effect.

    They are not just in purgatory. They created it. And it is not limited to them, it’s a whole universe. Whether or not you buy my specific pseudoscientific explanation of how (maybe it was just magic; that’s cool too), I think that is what it’s all been about. What so many of them died for. Killing Smokey, saving the Island, that’s all nice; but their greatest gift to the world? A second chance.

    “It worked.”

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Others have expressed similar opinions to mine (I did like the finale), so I won’t go over those again. What I do want to know is, will anyone else here wonder what happened once Sawyer, Kate, Miles, and especially Richard made it back to the mainland? There was really no opportunity to explore it, but Richard adapting to life in a world he doesn’t recognize would’ve been interesting.

  • girlydrinkdrunk

    Hi James,

    Re: Jack’s side wound – I have no clue whether the writers had this in mind, but the wound instantly made me think of “Doubting Thomas,” or aka the apostle who doubted the resurrection of Jesus unless he could touch the wounds.

    So it gave me absolute chills – to see Jack, our former skeptic, touching his wound and smiling with relief, believing his actions have meaning – his purpose fulfilled – and getting to see them fulfilled with that beautiful shot of his friends flying safe overhead.

    On another note: the finale reminded me of “The Bridge of San Luis Rey.” In particular, its final line: “There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning.”

    With that book and this finale in mind, it seals the deal for me that Lost is ultimately about love.

  • girlydrinkdrunk

    I think Richard would adapt fine. Remember, Ben did send him off the island for certain errands, like recruit Juliet.

  • That Anonymous Dude

    While I’m still pondering it all (perhaps it’s time to watch the whole series again!), while I cannot say I ‘loved’ the ending, the immediate feeling at 11:30 last night was happiness that the ending left the detailed questions unanswered and that they had not ended it a way that irritated me with bad science or bad faith. In other words, while I’m not sure I feel satisfied with the current ending, I can’t think of another ending that would have made me feel more satisfied.

    Honestly, the only thing that does make me bitter is that smokey never had a name. I think for a character driven show, putting a name on him would have given him the character to finally hang to rest the other items about him.

    what is the island? is it a magical place or is there real unknown science yet to be discovered there. Left to your own interpretation with no implausible explanation thrown down your throat.

    why is it important smokey never leaves? while not answered for why clearly it was important 2000+ years ago before he became smokey (and that answer could simply be a stepmother’s selfishness for her own goals as none of the guardian’s seem to come to the job well balanced til hurley), it is clear now that he’s a pretty broken and pretty powerful man who would wreck the world if he gets out into it.

    As to the sappiness of the ending and who was included and who was not – (ecko, his brother, goodwin etc). Cmon a little practical leeway here. It’s a glorious sendoff to characters we came to know for a show that was able to achieve it’s planned ending. Few shows get to achieve that (think how much better xfiles could have been with a 5 year plan) and the ones I can think of all have a bit of a hearty send off.

  • Kemper

    From the standpoint of emotional satisfaction, I give it an A+. All the great awakening moments, Jack’s death scene, the chapel, Vincent running up. I cried like a baby. A hungry, angry baby.

    From a plot satisfaction standpoint. Meh. I’d call it C-. Way too many major questions left unanswered for a show that had 3 years to wrap it up, and there’s enough holes in the story that you could spend days writing them all down. And I’m still hugely letdown that the ultimate answer of the island was introduced almost at the end, and not explained at all. (A glowing bathtub plug? Really?)

    Personally, I’m going to be aside my geekish fanboy demands and let it be. Speculation about some of the stuff will go on forever, but the sheer emotion they managed to invoke hear goes a long way to letting go of the problems.

    BTW. Who else wants a comic spin-off with Hurley and Ben running the island?

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    That was my immediate thought, they had all actually died in the original plane crash. But then I starting about it, and came on the site and changed my mind. I don’t know, I think I’m still wrapping my head around it all. Guess I’ll have to buy the dvds and rewatch the entire series from beginning to end.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    That should have “I started thinking about it”. LOL I’m going to be wonderful at work today after not sleeping all night.

  • plukasiak

    to expand upon one of James’ points regarding the lack of proper development of Jacob and MIB:

    one of the things I found disturbing was the lack of moral ambiguity in the finale. Locke/MIB turned into the bad guy, and Jacob and his followers were the good guys. But lets face it, most of the moral atrocities (like the mass murder of the Dharma initiative people) in the series were done in Jacob’s name and with his (implied) complicity, and we have only Jacob’s word for it that allowing MIB off the island would be disastrous for humanity.

    A far more satisfying ending, from a moral perspective, would have been to allow Locke/MIB off the island after he’d been rendered ‘mortal’ by Desmond’s ‘uncorking’ of the light. Of course, that would have meant that the show would have had one two less fight scenes to pad the show with…

  • southernbell49

    I’m not sure how I feel about things this morning.

    Jack has always been my least favorite character so it was both a relief that he was the one to die while some of my beloved characters like Sawyer, Ben, Hurley and Desmond survived and an emotional letdown that the series wound up being so much about him. If Vincent had not curled up with Jack to be with Jack when he died, Jack’s death would not have touched me at all.

    Also, at times it felt as if I was in a Danielle Steele moment, what with all the couples finding each other in the afterlife “waiting room” but I only cared about two pairings Sawyer/Kate and Desmond/Penny. I assume Desmond got off the island and spent the rest of his life with Penny but I am very bitter about Kate and Sawyer. Yes, they got out alive and I for one will fanwank it that they had dozens of good years together. I will just ignore the big, honking anvil that Kate and Jack were supposed to be soul mates, as were Juliet and Sawyer. For me, Juliet and Sawyer were an interesting plot device but there was precious little time given to the actual relationship. And Kate and Jack as a couple annoyed me from the beginning.

    I’m hoping that a second viewing will have more emotional resonance for me. But I do have to say it was much better than the finale of my other all-time favorite show, “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, a series ending that pretty much failed on every level.

  • http://joejohoba.wordpress.com joejohoba

    I got about 4 hours of sleep last night. My grief at Jack’s death, with wonderful Vincent next to him, was more profound than I expected.

    It’s all about Jack, and it always has been. But in our family, it’s also about our middle daughter, who has been a FAN!!!! since the pilot. She lives on the other side of the country now, and to watch the end without her added to my sadness.

    This was unforgettable, and I can’t wait to watch it again without all the commercial interruptions.

    Goodbye and good luck to all the wonderful Losties!

  • plukasiak

    …and another thing :)…

    does anyone else get the impression that the writers intended originally that the island be turned over to Desmond, and gave it to Hurley instead to satisfy the fans?

    Hurley, after all, was ultimately a “people person” — someone whose basic motivation/purpose was all about finding ways to make other people happy. Putting him in charge of a depopulated island was a waste of Hurley’s talents.

    Not to mention the fact that it would have been far more logical for Jack to have “passed the cup” to Desmond after recorking the light (and restoring the waters.) When Hurley drank from the cup (or water bottle, in his case), the waters were polluted, and given that the polluted waters in the temple had lost their power and could not save Sayed, it would make more sense for the ‘guardianship’ to be passed only through pure (light enhanced) waters.

  • antilles13

    Thank you, James. This has been a lot of fun.

  • treepeony

    “BTW. Who else wants a comic spin-off with Hurley and Ben running the island?”
    .
    I do Kemper! I demand Hurley and Ben’s Island Escapades! Preferably with a dead pan Ben snarking, “Boss. The plane the plane.”

  • michlaw

    Thank you, James. This was a moving piece on the show. I was too tired and overwhelmed last night to process the finale, but while reading your thoughts this morning, I broke down in tears. Thank you for the catharsis.

    I wasn’t sure if I liked the finale when I went to bed last night, but I woke up every two hours thinking of it while hearing that beautiful score playing in my head. I know that this is a series that will always have meaning for me. Like the ending of Battlestar Galactica, it will make fans think for years to come. Love it or hate it, I can’t think of a better tribute to the effectiveness of the finale and the talents of Lost’s writers, cast and crew.

  • rosseau

    A thematically rich, beautiful and literary finale. The purpose of the Island turns out to be the catalyst for the redemptions and identities of lonely, damaged people. They found their best selves helping each other and forming loving relationships. By building communities, their lives became meaningful. The sideways world was a metaphor for this. By literal contact with each other they remembered who they were and thus could move on together. So the island washed away their sins, fixed their flaws and gave their lives purpose by having them form communities.

    I loved the memories of themselves triggered by not only touch but the picture and delivery of babies. Because babies are literally created by the literal joining of two people. The family is the first and greatest community. And other communities come from friends who have been through a great deal together. The castaways were this.

    And I think MIB had no name because he wasn’t loved. Your name is the first thing given to you as an identity by the person who loves you first. They are the first mark of identity. Names are the first thing you know about your lover and are the beginnings of any relationship. MIB didn’t have a name because he could not love people. He thought they were selfish, corrupt, destructive. He could not form relationships. Thus he represents all the ego and selfishness that blocks any relationship and makes life miserable.

    All the characters found out what love and community could do at the end. They were able to become full human beings, happy human beings because of the island and their souls were able to move on because they came together. In life and in death, they had each other. LIve together or die alone. You all everybody.

    I think Sartre once said Hell is other people. Lost rejects this. Heaven is other people. We are who we love. Our lives are meaningful only with others to share them with. We shouldn’t have to die to know it.

  • treepeony

    I for one am completely happy with the ending. I cried, I laughed and spent a long time gritting my teeth in suspense. I loved the sneaky use of the Sideways world as a purgatory/waiting room. I kind of wished there had been one more Sawyer centered sideways world episode but that’s just because I’m a big ol’ Sawyer fan girl. I loved seeing all of our favorite characters together again. And thank god Kate and Jack finally said they loved each other and we FINALLY put an end to that ridiculously long lived love triangle of DOOM.

    I have to say though, Sawyer and Juliet’s reunion scene completely and utterly blew anyway any last remaining doubts I may have had about their relationship. I really have to give Josh Holloway and Juliet’s actress credit because that was such an amazing, emotional scene. They truely loved each other. Every ‘I gotcha Blondie.” Just made me cry harder.

    In defense of Boone and Shannon being in the chapel as opposed to say Michael, Ana-Lucia, or Mr. Ecko, et all, Boone and Shannon were very important to characters we followed all the way through the series. Boone to Locke and Shannon to Sayid. Even if they were only in the very first seasons, their presence was felt through their affect on the series leads. After all, Boone did come back to visit Locke in his sweatlodge dream.

    So, all in all, I’m going to miss Lost but I really think I’ll miss James’ Lostwatch more than anything else. And it’s not an official Lostwatch until Chaddog posts! Then I might just start bawling at work!

  • southernbell49

    Okay, I have just heard from the three people I know who also watch “Lost”. Here are some of their thoughts, which are interesting to me.

    One said that the sideways stuff we saw all season was actually just the thoughts in Jack’s head as he was dying. She believes anything else would be too hokey.

    The other two both think that the afterlife waiting room is “real”, due to the quasi-mystical/religious undertones of the show but again, both was under the impression that what we saw was merely Jack’s version of limbo, and that each character would have a different take in their final moments.

    And all three thought it was interesting/weird that Jack chose Juliet to be the mother of his child instead of Kate, but there is no agreement what this means.

    But they were in agreement that it was All.About.Jack and even the finale was Jack playing God.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    That was absolutely incredible – no one will ever be completely satisfied by any finale for this show, but the producers put together an ending that brought closure to a series that always provoked questions and made us seek for the answers – what am I going to do now?? http://www.thesmogger.com/2010/05/24/and-in-the-end/

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I understand where you’re coming from, as I’ve never felt Jacob was “good”. No matter how much he spoke about free will or what have you, human life didn’t seem to mean much to him.

    I think, though, they did address this first by showing Jacob to be not a god-figure, but a human being with extraordinary abilities and a job to do. The second way this was addressed was by having Hurley take over. As Ben said, “that was Jacob’s way, but maybe there’s a new way. A better way.” At the same time, the MIB was evil but a human evil.

    My big fear was the show would be about a “force of goodness” against a “force of evil” without the characters finding a third way. I think we saw the beginning of that third way, rooted in Hurley’s compassion.

  • http://johnvest.com John

    Jack’s bleeding side wound is a Christian symbol. Jesus’ side was pierced on the cross.

  • rekrah

    We are meaning making machines and this show illustrated that point perfectly. Well done!!!

  • Dave

    I don’t think you’re actually reading the comments here :) The finale really capped off them showing that yes, they did know what they were doing all along. It was always going to be Jack, and Jack was always going to die, and it was always going to be Hurley replacing him. The Smoke Monster’s immortality was always tied to the Heart of the Island, and Smokey was always going to die in the end. (I’m trying to use S1 stuff for you; I’m not sure how far into S1 you got.)

  • michaelfury

    None of this matters.

    “a giant monster made of smoke”:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/04/11/the-rest-is-silence/

  • wandmdave

    I think it was made clear in the second half of S6 and especially in the finale that the MIB was decidedly evil and not just misunderstood or smeared by Jacob. That in combination with the fact that he was an invincible smoke monster before Desmond pulled the plug are amble stakes in my mind to keep him from leaving the island.
    Before he was smokey he could have left without issue but Fake Mom was under the impression the only way to leave would be through the light and that it would douse it just like Desmond thought (unlike Desmond she knew that was a bad thing). She may have been right given the technology of the day too. Regardless the MIB was attempting to tamper with the light to get out so it was his method that was objectionable.
    Finally when Desmond pulled the plug and made Smokey human again I suppose there would be no harm in letting him leave, however at that point he had burned all his bridges and everyone wanted him dead. At that point they killed him out of revenge not necessity. That is fine with me however. In the end only the MIB rejected the advice/warning to live together or die alone. He was also the only character to hold onto his flaws. Consequently, when the time came that he was vulnerable and needed help, he was alone against the world and he couldn’t overcome those odds.
    I thought it ended up well explained and went right along with the themes of the show.

  • wandmdave

    Forgot to say this. Hurley’s job reverted to simply protecting the light and therefore the island from tampering by normal humans just like Fake Mom did.

  • snowmanstl

    Great review!

    As for Hugo being dead, I got the impression that Hurley had been the islands protector for a long time with Ben as his number two. Since there is no “Now” in the final place it didn’t matter how long it had been.

    I wondered what Ben was staying behind for?

  • wandmdave

    I was hooked on the characters but a big part of the appeal of the show for me was the mystery and the quest for answers about what was going on. To be honest I think they did a very good job of doing just that. I had the benefit of not starting to watch until Feb of this year and shotgunning everything so I probably was able to connect a few more dots than people who had it spread over 6 years. I ended up catching up around episode 7 of this season and then had to wait for the next episode like everyone else and even with that small amount of delay I started loosing my grip on all the little details. I imagine if I watch it all start to finish things will be even tighter than I am appreciating now (I’m gonna do that Aug 24, box set here I come, it looks like you even get MIB’s game he found!).
    Did they fully answer everything? No. How did the Egyptian temple get there and why did it appear to have hieroglyphs depicting Smokey? How did the statue get there and why did it have 4 toes? Why did mothers suddenly start dying in childbirth? Why were the numbers so prevalent and yet we don’t know how each instance they appeared in was related? Yes they were next to each candidate but why would they have been broadcast years before Russo got there and why would they be printed on an initiative hatch. I have guesses to those things but the point is they weren’t even touched on. However I dont think I’ve ever read or watched a truly good sci fi piece without some of the things being chalked up to creepy places, events, or things put there to let you know this isnt the world you know and prep you to suspend your disbelief. Its just setting and every bit of a setting cannot be explained unless some sort of encyclopedia for the series is made. That would not have made for a good finale or even a good episode. Each little detail would probably need its own episode or it would have appeared cheap and obvious the writers were just trying to tie up loose ends. In addition to that even if they got an episode each they writers would have been hard pressed to create episodes that were primarily about the characters we all knew with the explanation being coincidental results of their actions like it was for most of the series.

    In the end I think they explored and mostly answered the deepest questions. The rest can simply be written off as setting the scene or constants everyone accepts but does not know about by the time the Lost story begins. That won’t be good enough for everyone I’m sure but on the bright side I think it might open the door for further explorations of that universe in other mediums that will give those answers and enrich the whole mythology just like what happened with Star Trek and Star Wars. Someone could easily write a book about how Egyptians started the whole thing off and it would work because it would be its own self contained narrative with its own set of characters instead of throwing in a bunch of bit parts for one episode to explain things.

  • elliot54321

    Two things to think about:

    - Why did Ben not enter the church? He said he “wasn’t ready” but what does that really mean? Was he not ready to move on? Consider the fact that when it was asked if Anna Lucia was coming with the rest of the main cast, Hurley said that she wasn’t ready and therefore did not bring her, so I don’t really believe Ben wasn’t ready to move on. Did he feel as if he didn’t truely belong with this group of people? Did he feel guilty that he had manipulated all of them so many times?

    - I think the reason so many characters were left out is, indeed, because there is another church or area someplace where people who were close are preparing to leave together and I think Cuselof made an attempt to clarify that. During the concert, Eloise leaned into Desmond and asked if he was taking her son (Faraday) with her. I can’t remember what exactly Desmond said, but it was something like “he is leaving, but not with me.” I think that’s all the evidence you need that whatever characters were not represented in the church are moving on someplace else with people who mattered to them.

  • Tom Shaw

    Initial reaction? The flash-sideways switcheroo allowed the finale to both end the narrative story in the “real” world and the character stories in the flash-sideways. Bravo.

    Reaction this morning? Plotholes everywhere.

    Ending the heart of the Island apparently ends their superpowers, makes everyone mortal, and destroys the Island. And this would be bad why? Esau would get to live the rest of his mortal life seeing the world (the same fate as Richard, actually), and no one else gets trapped in that crazy Island. Sure, the .000000001% of humanity that is miserable and gets their life improved upon arriving at The Island is hurt, but the 99% of miserable humanity that doesn’t go to The Island is unchanged, and the 1% of miserable humanity that dies as redshirts upon arriving benefits. Go Esau? (Yes, you could claim that the Hurley Reign redeemed all the ugliness of the Jacob Reign. But the show didn’t really establish that.)

    Fun fact: Exposure to vast amounts of electromagnetic radiation gives you superpowers in Purgatory. Who knew? But why is Desmond allowing them to cheat their way out of Purgatory a good thing? Especially when everyone there already had that valid relationship that would get them out of Purgatory – all Desmond was doing was shortening the time they spent in (a timeless) Purgatory. Frankly, I find the idea that after his life was ruined by his controlling mother, that Daniel’s afterlife would equally be ruined by his mother – and that Desmond wouldn’t help him out by setting him up with Charlotte, for instance – depresses me more than the Losties getting the reward they were going to get anyway brightens me.

    (For that matter, why is Libby there? Sure, the audience wants Hurley to be happy, but as best we can tell, Libby was married to someone, someone she loved so much that his dying literally made her insane with grief. A 16-day crush on Hurley (thanks Lostpedia!) outweighs that?)

    Anyway, I should stop. Complaining that one of the best writing staffs in TV history wasn’t perfect is petty. I just think that 5, 10, years from now, when we have distance from the week-in and week-out, that spending half a season on a self-indulgent what-if scenario will be viewed as the most significant misstep in the history of the show.

  • Frugal Gal

    This morning, my thoughts are now coming together around one idea. It was beautiful.

    Cuse and Lindelof, this morning I am stunned by how beautiful it was. I can’t think of a time that a TV show has ever made me more engaged with seeing the love of others, even if they were just characters.

    Love and redemption and happily-ever-after-hereafter are what so many of us want. You showed it to use in the most artful way. Smoke monsters didn’t matter to the heart of those people any more than the “monsters” in my life will one day matter to me.

    To be forgiven and loved — they got that. It only makes me want it for myself even more.

    THANK YOU. It was — it is — art.

  • olivececile

    This was the one quibble I could not unquibble either. Obviously it’s futile to try to apply a logical structure to a metaphysical afterlife waiting room, but the implication is that the waiting room doesn’t just disappear when the Losties go into the light – because Ben didn’t go, and Eloise wanted to keep Daniel in the waiting room so that they could have more time together. So, does that make David an orphan? Did Juliet and Jack forget all about him after they had their awakenings? Does he just disappear?

    It’s not a dealbreaker, I still feel overwhelmingly positive about the finale, but I can’t quite puzzle out why they introduced a character that doesn’t exist in the real world if they always knew where this was going. There had to be other ways to illustrate Jack dealing with his issues.

  • bobkat77

    @umgirl – You and I think alike on this!
    Also, thank you to the poster who cleared up the Jimmy Kimmel discussion with Mathew Fox discrepancy. Jimmy’s FIRST idea to Fox was that the island world was REAL, and Fox agreed.
    I agree with many here who were satisfied, for the most part, with the Finale. There seems to be a bit of confusion also about exactly what transpired! ( lol I’m shocked!!) Thankfully, I don’t read here some of what I’ve seen on other sites, such as the simplistic: ‘See? They died…Went to heaven!’ “Lost” was far deeper than that and, like a previous poster stated, no particular god or religeon was specified. Could be heaven, or, Nirvana, or any other spiritual pit stop. That is left to the viewer to decide — Whatever floats your boat.
    Again, some say, ‘They died in the plane crash!’ I didn’t come away with that notion. They were “Lost” on a real island, and they were lost souls — individually. Jack saved the island (In our world) and THEN he died. He appointed Hurley to watch over the light, in the real world. In the ‘other’ world — purgatory/waiting area if you like (The “sideways” world) — he found his redemption and reunited with the others to “move on.” Although, it seems to me that the first scene of the series where Jack opens his eyes, and the last scene where he closes them and dies takes place in an instant (The phrase, “My life flashed by me in a second!” comes to mind).
    I, for one, am very pleased and grateful to the writers and producers of “Lost.” It was a great 6 year ride. It had me digging into my Eng.Lit. books from my college days every season! It was great on that level. That loose ends remained is fine by me. In the end, shit happens and then you die. Deal with it. However, if you can, find some redemption while in THIS world; Have a little faith in yourself and in your brothers and sisters; Try and do your part to keep the light of the world shining.
    Great comments, I enjoy reading them!!

  • linzy13

    Everything that I have read has helped me understand the finale more. But, I want to know was Jack’s son not real? So the flash sideways was just an ideal life they created in their heads while they waited on the others to die and be ready to reunite? Jack and Juliet never were together in the sideways? Or, were they together only while they waited on Sawyer and Kate? Its hard for me to understand that the sideways wasn’t ever real…Jack having a son kind of threw me off. Any help?

  • consideract

    Part of the whole premise of Lost is that there is no final answer, at least that we know. This is not a flaw in the story; it is essential to the story. It also is true to life as we live it, throughout history and for the forseeable future at the very least. If we don’t like that idea, that’s fine, but it’s not a story problem, just something we don’t like or agree with.

    Take the Big Bang, for example, as perhaps one of the closest analogs to the island’s light and energy. We have theories for the Big Bang *almost* to the very beginning, but not quite exactly the beginning, and even then, *huge* questions remain — questions that we theorize about, scientifically and religiously. We can say it has to be a scientific answer, but that is our faith, because we don’t actually know, at least as of yet. And, at a certain point, one can even argue that explanations of faith and reason overlap.

    The main thing about many of the remaining unexplained mysteries is that people throughout time (not just the audience of this show) come up with their own explanations and ways of handling stuff (such as glowing underground lights, or unknown electromagnetic energies). So, some people build temples, especially those who found the island long in the past. Some people build Dharma stations trying to understand it all scientifically, especially in modern day. Some overlap—for example, perhaps the ancient Romans, who built a wheel to control the energy.

    But none of these people have the ultimate answer, apparently not even Jacob or Mother. In some religions, for example, this conception of godlike beings, who yet are not the ultimate, would fit very well.

    Lost demands, in its DNA, that there not be any final final final answers, at least not anytime soon in our universe, but just answers that help and move the ball forward, and that the answers are not as important as the life together. That is Lost from Day One to the end.

  • bobkat77

    I guess you need a little faith. lol. The way I see it, Jack’s son wasn’t real, it was an ideal. Locke said as much to Jack: “Jack, you don’t have a son!”

  • consideract

    “Now you are like me.”

    See Genesis:

    And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

  • olivececile

    I disagree. They “made it together”. I think that has to be true for it to have any meaning at all. There were details that weren’t really Jack’s to know, and certainly many, many scenes outside of his awareness. I don’t believe Jack understood the other characters well enough to have created those worlds for them. They all made it, including Jack – he was just the last to get it (due to his stubborn nature, and perhaps his role in ending Smokey’s reign of terror).

  • consideract

    (meant to post this here, but it got stuck accidentally earlier somewhere else as well)

    Part of the whole premise of Lost is that there is no final answer, at least that we know. This is not a flaw in the story; it is essential to the story. It also is true to life as we live it, throughout history and for the forseeable future at the very least. If we don’t like that idea, that’s fine, but it’s not a story problem, just something we don’t like or agree with.

    Take the Big Bang, for example, as perhaps one of the closest analogs to the island’s light and energy. We have theories for the Big Bang *almost* to the very beginning, but not quite exactly the beginning, and even then, *huge* questions remain — questions that we theorize about, scientifically and religiously. We can say it has to be a scientific answer, but that is our faith, because we don’t actually know, at least as of yet. And, at a certain point, one can even argue that explanations of faith and reason overlap.

    The main thing about many of the remaining unexplained mysteries is that people throughout time (not just the audience of this show) come up with their own explanations and ways of handling stuff (such as glowing underground lights, or unknown electromagnetic energies). So, some people build temples, especially those who found the island long in the past. Some people build Dharma stations trying to understand it all scientifically, especially in modern day. Some overlap—for example, perhaps the ancient Romans, who built a wheel to control the energy.

    But none of these people have the ultimate answer, apparently not even Jacob or Mother. In some religions, for example, this conception of godlike beings, who yet are not the ultimate, would fit very well.

    Lost demands, in its DNA, that there not be any final final final answers, at least not anytime soon in our universe, but just answers that help and move the ball forward, and that the answers are not as important as our life together, which is the real answer we really care about. That is Lost from day one to the end.

  • olivececile

    I think Ben still felt he had amends to make to Rousseau and Alex, specifically. What he did to them is orders of magnitude worse than anything anyone else in that church had ever done. I took the ending to mean that he would make it eventually, but in his own time, and only when he truly felt ready.

    This episode reminded me most of one of my favorite movies, “Defending Your Life” with Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep. Albert Brooks’s character can’t move on just because he wants it, or because he apologizes for the things he did (or didn’t do) in his life, or even because he falls in love. He has to act, without fear, to bring that love into his life in the midst of a situation in which he seems to have no chance. Ben’s situation is similar, I think (although his life was very different) – he can’t just be sorry, or be open, or be forgiven. He has to act to be a better man, and that means not taking the easy way into the light, but really working for it, every day, until he’s ready.

  • http://mertyildirim.wordpress.com/ mertyildirim

    let’s go back.. in an old episode ben took locke to a wooden house or something in which ben claimed jacob lives, and there locke heard some voice(asking for help) and he turned the light on and then chaos… so.. what was this? that obviously was not jacob, then who? and why is so sensitive to light? and why asking for help? and why did only john hear him?

  • xxception

    I will merely quote “Men on Film”, “hated it.” I was exteremely disappointed in the finale. It was a case of lazy writing to me, not creative writing. My wife and I had already decided to buy all 6 seasons on blue-ray and watch them end to end after the show was no more. I am now so disappointed in this ending that I will NOT be doing that. Just another case of arrogant writers outsmarting themselves. This ending has turned me from a HUGE Lost fan to an extremely disappointed one that will not waste one more second of my life on it from this second forward.

  • chupkar

    I get teary all day thinking about it. I dreamed about it all night. Seriously. I did and I do not do things like that. I dreamed about the implications, the ideas, the allusions, the questions. And this is from a viewer who almost quit, who almost said “no way I am doing this anymore, they will disappoint me.” It actually hooked me more directly in than I had been in about 2 years and made every moment worth watching. Got some input on your questions for later but had to get this out there now.

  • consideract

    Regarding the comparisons to the Battlestar Galactica ending:

    Lost did not suffer the same problem at all. I would argue Lost is a lesson on how to do it right, and where BSG failed, as a story.

    The problem with the BSG ending wasn’t its spiritual nature. One could like that or not. It is fair game for a story to create its own explanations or universe.

    The problem with the BSG ending was that they (Moore) did not prepare for it. Right up until that last second, BSG walked a very strict tight-wire of science vs. religion, which arguably was its core greatness (no easy answers), and then at the last second they threw that beautiful balancing act out the window. The ultimate answer was God or some equivalent, and oh by the way, *all* the BSG survivors loved the idea of starting over without any technology on a strange world. Yeah, right. That was not BSG, not the way BSG played its own game right up until that final moment.

    The problem with the BSG ending was that it betrayed BSG.

    The Lost ending, however, is quintessential Lost.

  • consideract

    Regarding the comparisons to the Battlestar Galactica ending:

    Lost did not suffer the same problem at all. I would argue Lost is a lesson on how to do it right, and where BSG failed, as a story.

    The problem with the BSG ending wasn’t its spiritual nature. One could like that or not. It is fair game for a story to create its own explanations or universe.

    The problem with the BSG ending was that they did not prepare for it. Right up until that last second, BSG walked a very strict tight-wire of science vs. religion, which arguably was its core greatness (no easy answers), and then at the last second they threw that beautiful balancing act out the window. The ultimate answer was God or some equivalent, and oh by the way, *all* the BSG survivors loved the idea of starting over without any technology on a strange world. Yeah, right. That was not BSG, not the way BSG played its own game right up until that final moment.

    The problem with the BSG ending was that it betrayed BSG.

    The Lost ending, however, is quintessential Lost.

  • consideract

    That was the Smoke Monster (MIB) wearing one of his disguises. Until he took Locke’s form, he could take the form of anyone who had died. After taking on Locke, he could not change is form anymore.

  • consideract

    Brilliant!

    Especially when you factor in the motif of pulling the plug, resetting the machinery.

    I was puzzling over that one. We just have to remember that Miles got impressions and did not have conversations like Hurley.

  • gju2

    “The End,” and thus season six, and thus Lost, was not perfect, because nothing is”

    Watch The Wire. You will rewrite that sentence.

  • consideract

    Yes, I was thinking the same thing. “The plane, Boss, the plane!” It would make a great SNL skit, at the very least.

  • kate1461

    My initial thought was this as well, but the more I think about it, the more I’m not sure I agree anymore.

    Your comment about the babies and their presence/non-presence at the church has made me think though. I think that Aaron appeared as a baby because that’s how she and Charlie are choosing to remember him. Neither of them knew him any older than that. And as for Sun and Jin’s baby, maybe she wasn’t there for the same reason. Jin never met her, and they never had the chance to be a complete family. (I’m less sure about that one though, and it does make sense that if they all died in the place crash, that baby never would have existed)

  • consideract

    What!? LOL

    Buffy was a brilliant ending, one of the best ever. I put Lost right up there with it, too. In fact, Buffy might have been a little better, in that the “power” in Buffy gets shared amongst all the “candidates,” while in Lost, it’s still a one person job in the end (Hurley).

    Though, who knows? Maybe when Hurley let go, he shared it out to multiple people.

    I think that was part of Lost, that each generation makes its own rules.

  • jgs7691

    Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Juliet NEVER said “the bomb worked” — she just said “it worked”, along with her comments like “we should meet for coffee” and “we’ll go dutch”. Everything she said at the bottom of the drill pit mirrored what she said at the candy bar machine. “It worked” referred to the candy machine, not the bomb. I believe that she was experiencing that moment in the “nanosecond” between life and death for her, and her words in the sideways life were spoken by her in the Island world.

  • consideract

    I think it was important, spot on, that Jacob was flawed. Also, on the other side, Smokey became a monster in large measure just because Mother would not let him leave (which Hurley’s tenure suggests was her own rules and craziness at work).

    But Smokey killed Mother (just as she killed his mother) before he became smoke. And, probably becoming smoke by itself doesn’t make someone an evil genius out to kill people left and right, and not caring about anyone but his own purpose to leave. That is what made him a monster ultimately, and what made Jacob basically good, though a bit of a major pain, was his allowance for people to make their own choices and lives.

    All that said, Ben’s Dharma massacre was done in Jacob’s name but it was not Jacob’s will. That was Smokey pretending to be Jacob.

  • rekrah

    Couldn’t agree with you more. There is no flaw to this story. It is just that, a story. Life has no meaning that we know of. The meaning is all made up by us.

  • Dave

    That was Smokey; all part of his manipulation to get Jacob killed.

  • Dave

    Bah… that’s what I get for not refreshing before I comment :)

  • elkaba

    After sleep, in furtherance of previous post (#30-something) and seeing that no one’s totally voted me off the island, here are some further thoughts on the possible “Jacob’s Ladder” interpretation of the story…

    “The island is real”, could mean nothing more than it’s a real place in the real world where the people on O815 (and others) physically died. If you allow that time has no meaning after physical death and that the place we die becomes an anchor point for a “contruct” where we complete the development of our character at the moment of our physical death, before moving on to “next,” then “The Island’s” significance to the story is as nothing more than the starting point for the death construct of those who physically die there.

    It will take some more thinking about the concept of death IN the construct to sort out what happens when someone is murdered before completing their work, what happens to the murderer, etc. Somehow I think failing to complete the development of one’s character, prior to death in the construct, is what traps people where they died. It probably just means that their construct begin again or take what appears to us to be a very long time, because they require interaction with others, but I still think it’s key that, after death, time has no substance or meaning in any real-world sense.

    Running through the physical island deaths:

    The O815 all died on the plane, in the air or on the island. Those not featured in Lost, may have had a different construct experience or not needed one and moved on immediately

    “Mother” died after wrecking on the island in ancient times.

    The pregnant lady died centuries or a millenium later, but not before giving birth on the island. Perhaps the twins, dying so young on the island, grew up and lived in the construct with Mother sorting out the sibbling rivalry issues they had during gestation and as infants, their contruct reflecting the imaginative, game-like thinking of a child.

    Danielle died on the island along with her research crew and daughter.

    Desmond died after reaching the island on his boat. His issues were all about Penny. Still working on how he was special. Perhaps he was able to be truly connected through all levels of existence? Or that was part of his own construct to get back to Penny.

    Richard died on the island after his ship wrecked.

    The “Others” were perhaps really residents of the physical island who died, then lived on The Island (as a construct.)

    Ben died as a kid with the Dharma folks, Whidmore, Eloise, Miles and his dad. “Grew up” in the construct.

    elliot54321- Ben didn’t go in the church, because he would choose to wait there for Alex.

    It was interesting when Eloise questioned Desmond about taking Daniel. And he said, “not this group,” or something like that. Her son in the sideways waiting world would have waited to move on with Charlotte.

    TomShaw- The island is real, but only as the physical location of real-life physical death for the characters in the story. Everything that happened on the island, the rules, the polar bears, jumping on and off the island, escaping, coming back, the light, the numbers, the hatch- all of it was part of the construct.

    The flashbacks we saw during the show were probably a combination of glimpses of these people in real life, mixed with memories they experienced during their afterlife on the island, contruct-related memories, as in visits with Richard and Jacob.

    Flaws with this theory?

  • bobkat77

    Here’s Fox on Jimmy Kimmel Live RIGHT after the Finale. He says, “Yes,” the island was real life.

  • consideract

    Also, this was one of the subtle and beautiful aspects of Ben’s redemption, especially in the finale. He pulls back, lets others take the lead. He becomes satisfied with taking a lesser role, being number two. He had been number one and extremely jealous of being number one, all about him him him.

    So, when Jack asks if anyone has something to drink out of, and Ben offers an old plastic bottle, I couldn’t help wondering in the back of my mind if Ben was going to try and grab the water before Hurley drank it, and say Mine! My Precious!

    But he let it go. He stopped trying to insert himself and make himself the one in charge. This all is a result of his pivot from killing Jacob, where he was all “what about me?!”

    So when it is time to “move on,” it is so wonderful that he recognizes his own place and nature and needs.

    And Hurley lets him, because it is all about everyone deciding for themselves at that point.

    Hurley tells Sayid, don’t let anyone else tell you who you are, but Hurley lets Ben tell Ben who he is and make his own decision.

  • http://tomcamfield.wordpress.com/ Tom Camfield

    Really sweet finale :)

  • consideract

    Really, speaking simply as a writer, it was a brilliant ending. Not that anyone has to like it, it’s not required to like a story or its premises or its resolutions, but just as a matter of craft, brilliant. This will not go down as a misstep. My prediction, for what it’s worth.

    Some further thoughts in a second.

  • kewibr

    Not quite the ‘perfect ending’, but pretty spot-on for what we’ve seen in the previous 5.9 seasons and certainly a finale (and show) we’ll be talking about for a long time (when does the Season 6 DVD set come out?). My son is 5 months old, and I already can’t wait to introduce him to LOST when he’s much older.

    One question though:
    Does the Underwater Island scene at the beginning of the Sideways flash, way back in the first episode of this final season, indicate that somehow the light did eventually go out and everything came to an end? I found it interesting that in this place ( waiting room, purgatory, airport terminal, etc.) where they could all find each other again, the place that mattered the most (the Island) was, its self, no longer ‘alive’.

    Any thoughts?

  • Dave

    (Rather than saying “I think” before every sentence, I’m just going to write what I think. I don’t, by any means, think that my thoughts are the be-all end-all or exactly what Darlton intended or anything. These are, at best, my interpretations of what the show showed us, and, at worst, my interpretations of what the show didn’t show us.)
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    Smokey didn’t die because he was Smokey. He died because he was evil. Much like how Harry Potter was always going to hunt Voldemort, prophecy or not: Smokey had done far too much to hurt Jack and his friends for Jack to let him go.
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    The Island couldn’t sink because there was still work to be done. The Light at the Heart of the Island was also in the heart of every man. When the light goes out, everyone’s dead.
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    It wasn’t so much that Des had super-powers. He was just one of the first to be awakened, and his uncanny abilities from life proved to be useful in death. In the end, he probably didn’t need to have a sense of urgency, but the concert just proved to be the easiest time to get everyone else to wake up to.
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    Libby and Penny were there because they were such large parts of Hugo and Desmond, who were such large parts of Jack. Remember how Jacob said, “I didn’t pluck any of you out of a happy existence. You were all flawed.” (ht Lostpedia)? Maybe Libby wasn’t a candidate, but the Island still completed her the same way.
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    I’ll be honest that I really haven’t completely wrapped my head around the Purgatory/afterlife/pre-afterlife we were shown. Hopefully tonight I’ll be able to rewatch the last 20 minutes and unpack it a little more.

  • sphinx88

    AGREED.

    You want to know what happened in the two hour epic series LOST finale?

    NOTHING.

    Nothing f-ing happened. It was two hours of “Oh sh*t I remember you! Gimme a kiss!”

    That finale made the Jacob/ Black smoke dual look POINTLESS.

    Jacks father at the end…such a cop out. gimme a break!!!
    ARGGGGGGHH I CANT TAKE IT.

    THEY SHOULDVE KEEP THE ISLAND AS A SLIGHTLY MAGICAL MYSTERIOUS PLACE.

    NOT ALL THIS CRAZY SUPER SPACE/ RELIGIOUS FANTASY.

    It was the mystery that drove the show. We didnt need all the answers just a good ending that didnt cop out with super sappy hollywood endings. This series was too good for that.

    It wouldve been cool if it was like “oh sh*t, I could walk now!”..or …”oh my, im healed of cancer…nice!” NOT “im leaping to the f–king 1970s and oh sh*t there is another parallel universe where we will all meet up one day and go to church and snoop dogg will come out and everyone will sip from the pump cup”

    You can deal with religion/ death/ fantasy in a better way (Meet Mr Black) with much more of a pay off for the viewer.

    The thing is…Lost the show is still legendary. The first three seasons are TV lore. That sh*t had me riveted and emotional involved for three seasons unlike any show before it , for me at least. I used to be transported to that damn island… AND the BACKSTORIES WERE KING.

    The show was even still magical in the first FLASH FORWARD with Jack being a drunk meeting up with Kate back in the US…ohhh shnap!

    You cant take away what they accomplished those first three season…but there fall from the sun was Tyson like…Jacko-esque.

    The last two seasons were a train wreck in slow motion, that was hard to watch…but i couldn’t look away.

    R.I.P. LOST , you were one of the great ones.

  • Dave

    Does the Underwater Island scene at the beginning of the Sideways flash, way back in the first episode of this final season, indicate that somehow the light did eventually go out and everything came to an end?
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    My first reaction was that the Afterlife world took place so far in the future (after Jacob’s “it only ends once” ending scenario), but I don’t like that as much. Now I’m liking a different way of looking at it: the Light was also in the hearts of everyone, right? Well, in the Afterlife, the Light was out, so everyone must have been dead. Not a perfect explanation, but it fits well for me.

  • elliot54321

    Here’s another question I can’t get out of my head: what does the ending do for the faith vs. science theme? The ending seemed to be faith based, so what does that mean for science? I’m not entirely sure how to phrase that question any better at this point, but it seems as if Lost took a side on that debate in the ending. I guess what I’m asking is, how can the ending be interpreted scientifically? I think that might be the best I can ask it.

    Also, on the topic of why it is important the island can’t sink, there’s some things I can’t figure out. First of all, the island is home to a light that is either a) just electromagnetism or b) a light that represents warmth, humanity, and all things good (according to Jacob’s and MIB’s mother). So with that, one might think that the island must remain alfoat with its light shining brightly, BUT in the alternate timeline, the island was underwater and everything seemed to working perfectly well for many of the characters. Now of course, maybe the alternate-timeline wasn’t exactly real – there’s no “here,” there’s no “now,” it’s the afterlife, ok. So maybe there are certain things that just don’t matter (like the island’s existence) because this alternate timeline was created by the characters. If that’s so, we’re right back at the beginning, why was the island important?

  • elkaba

    bobkat77- The island (little “i”) is real and really part of the real world of the living. The people of Lost were really there – they chashed, shipwrecked, were murdered, died of natural causes, starved to death and washed up there- they all died there.

    What I’m thinking is that after dying on the real island, “The Island” (big “I”-creepy place where physical law, reality doesn’t apply) then begins and anchors a contruct or afterlife period where those who died there work out all the issues left over from their physical lives.

    Time means nothing after death, so those who physically died thousands of years apart can interact with each other, bond to each other and eventually move on together or not.

    Sideways is where they mill about once they complete thier work in the construct until they rediscover who they were, the fact that they died and reconnect with all they learned and those they loved. What they learned and how they changed in the their construct is what makes them seem like different people in the sideways world.

  • consideract

    Re: plotholes.

    “Esau”/Smokey/MIB got killed, did not get off the island.

    While I do think his not being let off the island in the beginning was Mother craziness/mistake, I don’t think he deserved to get off the island once he became human. On one level, he does or he doesn’t, whether or not he “deserves” it. But he was a monster of a man, with or without his smoke powers. So, I don’t feel sorry for him at the end, though at the beginning of his life, yes. He made his own choices, as man and as smoke. Being smoke doesn’t excuse what he did. And while Jacob was a pain and not at all a lovey-dovey let’s-roast-marshmallows-together type, his guilt was not equivalent in the slightest to Smokey’s guilt.

    I think of the Buddha here (I paraphrase), telling someone that their bad dreams meant they were good, because evil men sleep like babies.

    As for the island itself, no need for it to be saved on a purely technical level, no doubt. But this is what people do. They save things, especially things that matter.

    Part of Lost hinges on what it means to save, what each person decides it means to save and be saved.

    If this were anything close to real life (it’s a story we know), many people would try and save the island from sinking. Just as many people would give their lives for their country, or family. Or just a plain old ship, for that matter (as in, the captain goes down with).

  • consideract

    Re: Desmond.

    Don’t see at all how it was cheating. It’s not like this necessarily was the Christian purgatory with Catholic rules.

    And his interventions were not super-powered; he wasn’t even the first instigator in the Sideways Universe (that was Charlie), nor did he personally intervene in every situation.

    He set the scene, and when Eloise confronted Desmond at the end, I told you not to do this, he simply replied, I chose to ignore you.

    If only the original island Mother could have been dealt with so simply!

    People become ready on their own terms, and throughout history teachers of all stripes have just been making themselves available and setting the scene for when the student is ready. “When the student is ready, the teacher appears.” And, unfortunately perhaps, Daniel was not ready, nor perhaps did he belong to this group’s movement onwards.

  • elliot54321

    We’ve already seen that the island could end the world. Had Desmond never turned the failsafe key in the hatch, the world was to end, if I remember correctly. However, that pocket of energy kept at bay in the hatch, doesn’t seem to be the exact same thing as the light in the waterfall (or am I wrong, are they the same?)

    Also, consider the Man in Black. Jacob describes the island as a cork, to keep evil contained. Jacob also describes MIB as being evil. Now, the island existed before MIB did, so it wasn’t always keeping evil contained… right? So what is the island’s original purpose? Is there a connection between the light that represents goodness and the fate of the world? If the light goes out then the light goes out on humanity as well?

  • allaire78

    I don’t know where to start. It was a very emotional finale, and that was beautiful. I don’t want to take away from that but for season after season and most notably with this season every single week I tuned in to be told ( which I believed) that the time for answers had arrived. I guess I wasn’t home or nobody would sign for the package because the answers never arrived. I know it was about love is what i’ll be told, it was about a journey, it was about a lovely multidenominational church waiting room in which you can wait for the ones who meant the most to you because they were like family on the island. Wrong. Sorry, I am not sold.
    The plain and simple fact is that this was all about jack. The whole show. The ending had nothing to do with anyone else but jack, and I am a little bitter because he was the one character who annoyed me the most. So i’m supposed to feel great that for him to finally believe in something he had to die. Great. That’s just great. I say all this because if he smiles up at a plane because he’s happy that his friends made it off the island and claire goes on to live a long happy life reunited with aaron then why does she turn him back into a baby? because it wasn’t about claire, so then we can assume that she had a long life but never much cared for her grown son what about claire’s mother or sawyers mother who he spent a great deal of time trying to avenge .
    Sawyer waited for jack? really? come on.They got along okay in the end but enough to wait for after death? Jin’s father wasn’t there, he was embarrased by him but he loved him. Shouldn’t he be outside with ben atoning for shunning his father? Penelope is there but didn’t they have a child? must have been a bad kid? And kate. “I love you so much Jack in this season finale that i’m gonna leave you again to go back to…..?” Well I don’t know but it sure wasn’t that hard to talk her into leaving the love of her life only to pine for him in the herafter. It was Jack’s heaven. It would make more sense to say these people came back from whatever point of their deaths to guide jack to the light and that anybody that wasn’t there simply hadn’t died yet. So he was guided by those he wanted to see. So maybe the plane crashed right after he smiled up at it.Penny committed suicide after losing Desmond for the 100th time. Claire’s heaven was her baby as she only knew him.And Jin and Sun died before their child.And Ben couldn’t go because he wanted to be guided by his murdered daughter who probably wouldn’t be coming for him.
    It’s not okay to not answer questions when that was the premise of the show. When you plant little clues everywhere like you’re M. Night Shyamalan but obviously don’t have the brain power required to close the deal.
    Jacobs brother wanted to leave the island. Maybe they should have salvaged the black rock. Isn’t that more realistic than traveling by magnetic energy? So you don’t let a mortal leave but insead turn him into a smoke monster that you now have to protect the island from.
    we don’t have to explain the polar bear because now it’s not supposed to matter. well maybe it was the coca cola bear on vacation or the last polar bear with a message to go green or maybe the bear turned the wheel to move the polar ice caps to safety. It doesn’t matter anymore because all the couples can kiss in slow motion so at least there’s that.

  • elkaba

    The Island as a “Jacob’s Ladder” death-construct works for:

    Only those who died on the island, or were strongly attached to those who did, featured in the construct (story)

    Location of tail section separating characters for a while in the construct

    Explanation of the Others vs Dharma

    Rose suddenly no longer sick

    John Locke suddenly can walk

    Richard never ages (until he’s ready to move on)

    No child conceived on the construct Island is real. (They never really live.)

    Reason Walt is the same (puppy) age in the opening as in the close. Jack gets licked, opens his eyes after dying on the beach and begins his construct. He closes his eyes, still lying there after his construct, ready to move on.

    Those who died as children have more imaginative, game-like, childish issues in the construct -jealousy, selfishness, sibbling rivalry, sharing, smoke monsters

    No need to explain things that violate physical law

    Leaves room for more stories, more locations for death constructs, a series of Lost-like places and shows:-)

  • elkaba

    Sorry, make that Vincent, the puppy, not Walt

  • jeia56

    I’m not trying to insult you or anything dude, but I don’t think you really got what Lost was. Lost wasn’t a tale about a time traveling island inhabited by smoke monsters and polar bears. No, it was a story about the survivors of a plane crash first and foremost, and a story about a mystical island second. If the mysteries were going to be the focus of the show then why bother having consistent characters at all?

  • allaire78

    sorry but MIB could form relationships. He loved his fake mother until she wouldn’t let him leave and was lying to him he had an good relationship with his brother and met with him secretly and even wanted him to leave the island with him until the fake mother hit him over the head. so?

  • Kemper

    I just realized something that upsets me. Apparently Darlton thinks that all dogs go to hell. Because Vincent wasn’t in the chapel…….

  • lissm

    I’m still crying. That episode made it all worth it.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    In the end, it wasn’t a question of faith vs science. It was free will vs destiny. Do you believe things happen for a reason or is the world a random place where we make our own decisions? From the way people spoke, it sounds like it landed on destiny but a closer look at things tips it the other way. The “reason” they were on the island was because Jacob brought them there. Jacob is not God. He’s a human being who has abilities tied to the island’s energy, but a human nonetheless. They all had a mission laid out for them, but it was their choice whether to do it or not.

    Also, in terms of the light, it’s a life force, neither good or bad. That doesn’t mean it’s magic, though. It does have something to do with electromagnetism and while only the island’s protector can go right to the source, you can dig into the ground and tap its energy, as the Dharma Initiative did. No light = no life. In the sideways world, everyone is dead so the island isn’t functioning there.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    No, he just had some issues to work out so he wasn’t there. Or something.

  • allaire78

    jeia56- I’m not insulted, i’m entitled to my opinion. I do know what Lost was about and I disagree that Lost wasn’t about a mystical island first if anything the charachters were just as important as the island and all the mysteries.They went hand in hand. It’s okay for me not to be happy about not having answers. For me the story isn’t complete.

  • jeia56

    Fair enough. I gues we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  • shara says

    I also thought that Hurley was the one who created it – the whole thing about him “doing things differently” and “taking care of people” all made me believe that Hurley created a safe place for all the Losties to go and work things out and find happiness with each other, so then they could all Live Together after they Die Alone.

  • tenderfeet

    Going to miss Lostwatch almost as much as the show. I didn’t chime in very often but always appreciated your write-ups James, and of course the comments from everyone else.

  • elliot54321

    I totally disagree that it was all about Jack. I think that’s pretty unfair. It is fair to point out why some people were at the church why others weren’t, but as Christian said, it was their most important times of their life and they all spent it together. And for the record, Jin and his father had an estranged relationship, it makes sense that he wasn’t there. And the polar was explained – it was apart of the Dharma experiments, that was made pretty clear. Yeah, i know a lot of other small mysteries weren’t explained, but I think it’s kind of petty to get all caught up in them, especially when it’s fairly easy to consider certain things and come up with a reasonable answer for them. I think Lost is supposed to be something that challenges viewers rather than cater to their every needs.

  • elliot54321

    Actually, now that I think about it, I don’t think it was ever explicitly stated why the polar bear was on the island. But, we do know that Dharma conducted experiments on animals right? Doesn’t that make sense that they brought the polar bear?

    I think that’s a smaller example of why Lost seeks to challenge viewers rather than lay it all out explicitly. The same thing works for the fertility issues on the island. I think about the sequence of events and certain information you know about the island you can come up with a reasonable explanation.

  • bobthebunter

    I had never watched a full episode until last week. Now I understand why this show had such loyal fans.
    I once was “Lost”, but now I’m Found.

  • supremeleader1

    i completely agree with you allaire78, this entire season i have waited for answers and it sucks that nothing was answered if I HATE

  • supremeleader1

    I hate it when people tell me use your imagination. No.tell the story. people tell you that when they have no clue and don’t want to make fans mad. i didnt like it the whole season was slow. but i’m kind of relieved it’s over now.

  • olivececile

    I think perhaps the Man of Science, Man of Faith thing has been misinterpreted. My feeling is that it was never about some argument between science and faith. Locke saw Jack as a man who couldn’t give himself over to believing in something he couldn’t explain. He nutshell-ed this personality characteristic by calling him a Man of Science. Man of Empirical Evidence doesn’t have the same ring to it.

    I don’t think anything about the island’s nature can be explained by science (except maybe in the Arthur C. Clarke “sufficiently advanced technology = indistinguishable from magic” sense). And I think, in the end, Locke was right, but Jack’s skepticism allowed him to survive long enough to actually do what needed to be done. If Locke hadn’t been so eager to feel needed and special he might have been able to see his situation a bit more objectively.

  • nclexingtontim

    Couldn’t agree more. The way they ended the series, they might have well filled the entire 6 seasons with all the characters sitting on the beach chatting and getting to know one another. Everything that happened on that island was unexplained and seemed to have no meaning whatsoever. As a fan who watched and wondered from the first episode, I had a sneaking suspicion they wouldn’t be able to pull it off…and I was right.

  • oooolaaalaaa

    ditto! i could not stop playing the instrumental music in my head last night, and the same today all day at work. i could have burst into tears several times today but held back so my co-workers wouldn’t think i was nuts!

  • rosseau

    @allair78: Sorry, I wrote that mess after a night of very little sleep thinking about the epsiode and in a morning rush. I meant the MIB could not love/trust other people and could not keep relationships. Every human connection he made ended tragically either with him being emotionally and physically hurt or his mother and brother being hurt and in case of Mom, killed. So he distrusted and hated humanity.

    He might have been a metaphor for the selfishness in each of the islanders. Their misery and guilt. Their lonliness. You could say they literally fighting him at the end was a metaphor for them coming together and bonding throughout their whole time spent on the island. Thus they saved themseves literally and pyschologically by having each other in their lives and forming communities. And that allowed them to move on to the afterlife which I took as another metaphor for life now. That we can only achieve bliss or enlightenment or wisdom or identity and memories through our lives with others. Heaven on Earth. Heaven is other people.

    So the island with all of it’s good vs. evil, dark vs. light, belief vs. reason, Jacob vs. MIB could have a metaphor for the human soul. If you want to get metaphysical about it. :)

  • camkidlettes

    I’m sorry but I’ve loved this show from the very beginning. When the sideways world came into play I thought I’d give Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse a chance. I have to say I’m horribly disappointed. I don’t get it. Did the sideways world exist? None of the questions were answered. I thought that the “couples” discovery of each other Sun/Jin, James/Juliet etc. were too long; we got it after the first few, why beat us over the head with it? I thought that the heaven or whatever ending was not worth the thought and creativity that was there from the very beginning. I thought that Damon and Carleton literally didn’t know how to end it.

    If answers really are on the Season 6 DVD I won’t be buying it cause I have not interest in every watching that ending again. Sorry guys you blew it!

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    There are possibilities for hilarity in that!!

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    The writers intended a lot of things that changed to satisfy the audience. 1. Jack was supposed to die at the end of the pilot, but the series ended up being very much about his struggle. 2. Ben was only supposed to be around for a few episodes, but he was there until the end.
    .
    These two things alone is why I’ve felt the writers were making it up as they went along. It’s probably a good reason why so many questions went unanswered–the writers thought up crazy stuff they couldn’t explain so they never bothered to try.
    .
    I will accept a previous poster’s theory that Claire’s baby showed up as a baby because that’s how she and Charlie had known him. That’s plausible if we accept the theory that the alt-world was purgatory. However, I think the island was always supposed to be purgatory but when the fans caught onto that so early, the writers insisted we were all wrong.
    .
    BTW, my sister never thought the island was purgatory. She thought the entire thing was a delusion of Hurley’s or somebody else who happened to be in the mental hospital with him.
    .

  • shangun

    I think it was MIB masquerading as Jacob in the cabin, my question is how the heck did Desmond get on the Island??? in earlier episodes heshipwrecked there but then they put him on the plane???!!!

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    I agree. Whether the Losties died in the plane crash (an early theory that the writers denied) or the sideways world was the purgatory, this entire final season and especially the finale was a blatant show of laziness.
    .
    The acting though made up for the lack of story depth in the finale.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I’ve been trying to consolidate my thoughts on this all day. I did thoroughly enjoy the episode, but am not sold on the Sideways world resolution. I guess it felt too conventional for me. I still loved it though and wrote that up:

    http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/the-lost-finale-which-i-love-with-reservations/

    Again, I don’t want to be a blog whore but like with anyting on this show, I have a hard time being brief with it.

  • Chaddogg

    @Treepeony

    Seriously, I’m touched.

    I just watched the finale, 24 hours or so later than everyone else, because I decided in the spirit of the show’s “Live together, die alone” ethos that it would have been wrong if I had just watched it alone as opposed to waiting for my friends (who I had seen probably half of Lost with, and who couldn’t watch the finale live because they had family in town).

    So, instead, I watched it Monday night, while avoiding all of the internet/TV, etc. so as to avoid spoilage. And I sit here now, with tear-drenched eyes, and all I can think is how much I loved this show, and maybe even more importantly how much I loved how this show united virtual strangers….all of us who came to James’ Tuned-In site, and found a haven for our crazy theories (including my own “Charlie is evil” theory which lasted most of season 3….)

    In the end, as the finale arguably taught us, it is the journey that matters…..and I’ll appreciate all of my fellow Tuned-Inlanders who made dissecting Lost a pleasure on every Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday morning…..

    Let’s face it, we created a robust literary culture around one of television’s most profound series of all time….an outcome that I, for one, am pretty proud of….

  • michaelfury

    Remember this “giant monster made of smoke”?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/talking-head-like-a-hole/

  • beachbumm7

    Maybe in the end it doesn’t really matter what happened to these characters. In the end we saw them all come together again, the couples (jack and kate, sawyer and Juliet, etc) where re-united, old enemies were made friends again, and really , in the end, isn’t this what we wanted? To see them happy again, in love and finally at peace. No longer lost, in life or in spirit. For me, lots of questions still unanswered, but to see jack smiling as he was sitting next to kate, and all of them happy….that is what I will remember.

    I don’t know about the rest of you, I’m a bit perplexed that a tv show, could affect me quite to much, I swear I was a little depressed yesterday (Monday).

  • happyishmelody

    Thank you very much for your synthesis of this final episode, James, and to all others who have posted. I found your comments very satisfying to compare with own thoughts on this fantastic show.

    I noticed some people wished Jacob’s brother “Smokey” had been named. I think the writers may have been alluding to the twins Jacob and Essau from the Bible. The show has relied on many references to religious images and stories to give it extra resonance. This is yet another example, I think!

    Here’s the reference I found on wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

  • happyishmelody

    Thank you very much for your synthesis of this final episode, James, and to all others who have posted. I found your comments very satisfying to compare with own thoughts on this fantastic show.

    I noticed some people wished Jacob’s brother “Smokey” had been named. I think the writers may have been alluding to the twins Jacob and Essau from the Bible. The show has relied on many references to religious images and stories to give it extra resonance. This is yet another example, I think!

    Here’s a reference to Jacob and Essau that I found on wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

  • colleen0111

    I think when Juliet said, “it worked”, she was referring to the candy bar not the bomb. If you watch their reunion at the vending machine again, you’ll see that she says to Sawyer, “it worked” and then hands him the bar. Clearly Juliet’s last thoughts, as relayed to us by Miles, were about the vending machine interaction, not the bomb. I wonder if any other of Mile’s “readings” involved the sideways world as well and we just didn’t know it?

  • http://jgirlie99.wordpress.com jgirlie99

    Remember, most of the moral atrocities that have occurred in our real history have been in the name of the riteous, of the religious, of the pious. Jacob was the protagonist, but he was a flawed one, which made it more realistic. Christianity is widely known to be well-intentioned as a belief, but severely flawed as a religion, a heirarchy, and so on. This made the religious undertones/metaphors that much more of a parallel to the show… even the “good guys” are capable of committing horrendous murder.

    In the end, I don’t think it was about listening to Jacob because he was Jacob, I think it was about a search by all of the remaining characters to do what they felt they had to do to protect the ones they loved, and Jacob’s (even being the lesser of two evils, rather than a saint) just seemed like the more likely path to follow.

  • smak88

    People are still confused about the polar bears and the statues? Here’s your answers then. Hope you like the finale after getting them…

    Polar bears: The Dharma crew used them to move the island. We know this because of the polar bear that Charlotte found in Tunisia. Tunisia is where Ben and Locke were booted to when they turned the wheel.

    The Statue: It’s an egyptian fertility God. Taweret specifically. A statue of a God that deals with fertility and childbirth? Hmmm. . .wonder why it would be built on that island? As for who built it, I’m going to go with. . .Egyptians.

    The show answered quite a few of the questions it raised. Thankfully you had to actually do a little bit of critical thinking instead of having them smashed over your head.

  • franklovesfl

    Elkba:

    Your theory (every has been dead) has been debunked at least a million times on a million blogs and coutless interviews with cast and writers.

    To quote Jack and others:

    “What happened, happened”.

    If you DVRd ‘The End’, watch it. Watch it three times.

    NOTE:

    In the pilot, Jack was in the field a suit. In the finale, a polo shirt.

    What happened, happend.

    I wish posters would read previous posts and leave new posts to new ideas, not old ones that have been shot down time and time again.

  • franklovesfl

    Elkba:

    Your theory (everyone died in the crash) has been debunked at least a million times on a million blogs and coutless interviews with cast and writers.

    To quote Jack and others:

    “What happened, happened”.

    If you DVRd ‘The End’, watch it. Watch it three times.

    The island wasn’t purgatory to work out thier issues. Jacob said he chose them because thier previous lives were crap, implying NOT that we wished to fix them, BUT they had nothing to lose.

    NOTE:

    In the pilot, Jack was in the field a suit. In the finale, a polo shirt.

    What happened, happend.

    I wish posters would read previous posts and leave new posts to new ideas, not old ones that have been shot down time and time again.

  • franklovesfl

    To EVERYONE who’s thery is “everyone died in the crash”

    This has been debunked at least a million times on a million blogs and coutless interviews with cast and writers.

    To quote Jack and others:

    “What happened, happened”.

    If you DVRd ‘The End’, watch it. Watch it three times.

    The island wasn’t purgatory to work out thier issues. Jacob said he chose them because thier previous lives were crap, implying NOT that we wished to fix them, BUT they had nothing to lose.

    NOTE:

    In the pilot, Jack was in the field a suit. In the finale, a polo shirt.

    What happened, happend.

    I wish posters would read previous posts and leave new posts to new ideas, not old ones that have been shot down time and time again.

  • franklovesfl

    AGAIN Elkba:

    Your theory (everyone died in the crash) has been debunked at least a million times on a million blogs and coutless interviews with cast and writers.

    To quote Jack and others:

    “What happened, happened”.

    If you DVRd ‘The End’, watch it. Watch it three times.

    The island wasn’t purgatory to work out thier issues. Jacob said he chose them because thier previous lives were crap, implying NOT that we wished to fix them, BUT they had nothing to lose.

    NOTE:

    In the pilot, Jack was in the field a suit. In the finale, a polo shirt.

    What happened, happend.

    I wish posters would read previous posts and leave new posts to new ideas, not old ones that have been shot down time and time again.

  • http://sousay.wordpress.com sousay

    Well if you ask me, Hurley and Desmond acted like “Guardian Angels” in the Other “sideways” dimension world. And if you follow Hurley’s actions, he was always trying to HELP people and it backfired, reason he was so nervous about being in Charge! Desmond had to redeem himself for “falling asleep at the Switch”!! and he helped Hurley as he really was the key to “resisting” the “effects” of the Island! And How does the PAST of Charles Whitmore play into all of this? did he OWN the Island? or was it his “experiment” gone wrong?
    I too cried at “Vincent” comforting Jack.. but why didnt HIS doggie Soul make it to the Church too? For us DOG lovers, we wont cross over without them!!!!

  • Dave

    I just figured Vincent was with Walt ;)

  • rc777

    I liked it.
    It was a true LOST ending.
    Every episode left my wife and me asking questions. The ending did the same thing.
    Does it all make sense…. NO.
    It doesn’t have to make sense in our world so long as it makes sense in theirs.
    Be sides, who ever in their right mind thinks things or people make sense in real life.

    It was enjoyable. It was fun. It was a ride. It was time.

    Here is a suggestion for the “Bad Robot” :
    Do it again! Use the same staff and cast and make an entirely different series. We will watch it just to see our favorite characters acting out your work.

    Great show.

  • rahchis

    Jamie,

    Not sure if anyone answered this yet. If so, my bad. When Juliet said, “It worked,” before dying… recall that she was already spiritually traversing the Sideways and the Island. “It worked,” was in reference to unplugging the vending machine to get the candy bar; not blowing up Jughead.

  • rahchis

    “It worked” was a season premiere trick to make us think that the Sideways was an alternate timeline beget from Jughead’s detonation. In the finale, we learned that the whole “going dutch” conversation took place in front of a hospital vending machine in Heaven’s layover place. Jughead never reset anything. All it did was catapult everyone back to 2007.

  • http://michaeldrew.wordpress.com michaeldrew

    “It took me a while to figure out what happened at the end. Then I realized I didn’t like it. After some more thinking, I found I did like it. After contemplating it even more, I decided it was the perfect ending.”

    EXACTLY the same sequence for me. I didn’t quite get to where I thought it was perfect, Bu I like it a great deal. A profound sense of closure, even though tragic and painful.

  • http://michaeldrew.wordpress.com michaeldrew

    This is a wonderful explication for those who don’t understand or refuse to understand what the producers did here.

  • http://michaeldrew.wordpress.com michaeldrew

    You say that as a “big fat agnostic,” there might be reason for us to expect you would have a problem with the spiritual end. that is hogwash. There is NO CONCETUAL REASON an agnostic could have any problem with any given depiction of a spiritual reality, even in theory. That is because an agnostic DOES NOT DENY that God, Heaven, Jesus, Mohammed etc. etc. are not what their partisans say they are – outwardly or inwardly. That is what agnosticims means. The belief you would need to hold for anyone to think you might have a problem with the depiction of specific spiritual beliefs would be ATHEISM – a belief that God or gods, as well as real spritual realms and the like do not exist. Granted, you could in that case still not have a problem with the depiction, as you say you do not here. but that would have to be the case for you to feel the need to address the issue. Therefore, since you did address it, it is clear THAT YOU *ARE* AN ATHEIST! Yet you say you are an agnostic. This is an example of a pernicious trend in popular commercial mass media, wherein atheists modulate their expression and characterization of their actual views in order to avoid alienation of the believing audience. it is betrayal of those who share your outlook, much like closeted gay politicians. It fosters and preserves prejudice against non-believers, and it is a self-perpetuating ill. You are an atheist, you are not an agnostic. We know this because you admit to it conceptually in this piece. Do not say, then, that you are agnostic. You are not. Say you are an atheist, so that others are able to do so as well.

  • http://michaeldrew.wordpress.com michaeldrew

    Having cleared that up, I can say that as an atheist, i absolutely agree with you that there is no reason to resist the end of The End. For any of a number of reasons. You can simply ignore it. You can say it was Jack’s dream. You can simply accept a depiction of the spiritual realm in a work of visual literature. Or you can consider it a poetic, valedictory, philosophical coda presented to us by the creators, outside of the narrative of the show, consistent with works of epic literature going back to the ancients, much as you choose to take it.

    Again (as I said above), this is a wonderful review-summary. Thank you for it.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Sheesh. Look, I have no desire or reason to obfuscate my personal beliefs. My understanding of the term atheist is that it refers to one who affirmatively believes that a god or gods do not exist. My understanding of the term agnostic is that is refers to someone who neither believes that a god or gods exist nor that they do not–even if they believe that nonexistence is the more likely alternative.

    I personally believe that the existence or nonexistence of god is an unprovable, so in the interest of being technically accurate I call myself an agnostic. (In part from having been corrected in the past for calling myself an atheist, by atheists.) That’s my understanding of the dictionary definition. Perhaps it is incorrect.

    Bottom line, if I had to bet money, I’d bet money on No God. So call me by whichever term you want. Anyway, I’m glad you see my reasoning on the metaphorical power of the story.

  • bobbie140

    I was a diehard Lost fan, since the Pilot.
    I’ve seen The End now 3 times.
    I’m as much in despair as I was the first time.
    The last time I saw it, it was enchanced.
    & Darlton lied to us, the fans, from the get go, with the new enhancement.
    It read, to paraphrase, The sideways is the world that would have been, if Oceanic hadn’t crashed.
    Give me a Break!!
    I was thrilled until the last 15 minutes. Then became a depressed slug. The Altverse was Purgatory. I don’t even believe in Purgatory. Everyone was dead. David was an illusion.Baby Aaron was dead. Were child Charley Hume & Jin/Sun’s dead too?
    The Spirits of my most loved deceased ones visit me. They tell me that they keep the love & memories with them, but do not have corporal bodies, & it’s akin to dreamy days & nights, as Rainbow Bridge, for pets is.
    Even if I believed in god & the devil, in heaven & hell, which I don’t, I feel the end was a major cop out.
    I wanted our peeps to find one another & LIVE happily.
    Not die happily, & some way station, where peeps have bad days, get shot at, & are incomplete is not where I would wish my loved ones who were waiting for me.
    I’m dissapointed that major mysteries weren’t answered, but truly heart broken that it all ended with a Dead End.
    & PS~Jack is in no way more important than anyone else was. & I don’t need Bad Dad Christian’s preaches,.

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