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Lost and Heroes: In Defense of Arrogance

After May 23, Lost will be no more. And judging by the fan reactions to the “Across the Sea” and the waning days of season 6 generally, we’re seeing a lot of restlessness among the fans about how and whether Lost is answering questions, and whether it’s staying true to its vision and characters as it goes off the air.

I don’t want to invalidate anyone’s criticisms, having leveled plenty of my own at this week’s episode. But it’s instructive to remember a time not so long ago when people were talking about a new TV serial. One that had learned from the mistakes of Lost. That would not string fans along. That would provide closure. That would be unambiguous. That would give answers. It debuted, and for a shining period, its partisans said that it was succeeding at Lost’s game better than Lost.

That TV show was Heroes. And reports are coming out that it may have come to a quiet, largely unlamented end.

Now I will admit that I’m being a little reductive here. Heroes had plenty of problems that had nothing to do with trying to avoid the pitfalls of Lost. And while I was never the biggest fan, I don’t want to dance on its grave by recounting them all.

But I firmly believe that its original sin was in trying to objection-proof itself, and thereby setting a ceiling on how great it could ever be. Heroes was its own thing, yes, but by starting from the position of satisfying fans better and quicker than its serial competition, it started from a position of timidity.

It had a pretty good first season, and some great individual episodes. But in all it was testament to a theory I have about TV, and storytelling in general, which you may disagree with: you cannot suppress the worst tendencies of a show without suppressing its best, because they come from the same place. Put another way: you have to be willing to suck if you ever want to be great. “Awesome” and “awful” are actually closer to each other on the continuum of quality than either is to “meh.”

If your first priority is creating something amazing, you will make some mind-blowingly awful mistakes. If your first priority is avoiding mistakes, you will preclude the possibility of succeeding wildly (and you may end up making mistakes anyway).

Which is why, on the one hand, I stand by all the criticisms I made of “Across the Sea,” which, taken by itself, was a misstep to me. (I’ll see if my opinion changes in the context of the finale.) And yet on some level, I want Lost’s makers to be willing to tell me to go screw myself. Is that self-hating? Maybe. Enabling? Probably. Excuse-making? I suppose.

But I can’t agree with the criticism of fans who call a recent interview with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof “arrogant.” Or rather, I can agree. I just can’t see “arrogant” as necessarily a bad thing. What is ambitious storytelling if not arrogance? If someone sets out to tell me a story at 100-odd episodes, about physics and metaphysics and time travel and life after death and smoke monsters and disappearing bunnies—they had freaking well better be arrogant.

I have a large-ish piece in the coming issue of TIME about the end of Lost, for which I interviewed Cuse and Lindelof. For my money, one of the most interesting parts of the interview never made it into the story, because it didn’t much touch on the final season. (I’ll try to get it online eventually.) It was about season three, and the Nikki and Paolo arc, which, I’ll admit, I liked. Or at least: I liked the idea of it—I liked that the show had enough daring and sense of play that it was willing to do such a crazy thing, even if it flopped so badly that Cuselof had to sacrifice the characters bodily in penance. Nikki and Paolo came along at just the time that people were saying Heroes had figured out what Lost had failed to. How are they each looking now?

I sort of hesitate to write this, because I know it may come of as excuse-making, and maybe rightfully so. (One benefit of the end of Lost is that, even if the public schools are not teaching Socrates, people are suddenly learning the definition of “apologist.”) But the whole discussion is starting to remind me if the ending days of The Sopranos, when people were basically arguing that David Chase did not understand his own show. David Chase, by definition, understood The Sopranos. He just didn’t necessarily understand the version of it that you wanted him to make.

Anyway, none of this is to say that you shouldn’t criticize the ending of Lost, or that I shouldn’t, or that all of us won’t anyway. If it sucks, it sucks, and you should say so. But it is to say that we couldn’t get this involved in a show that had not, at some level, decided long ago to be arrogant. The modern era of media is one of two-way communication, and Lost and its fan community make a great example of that. But there’s still something to be said for the power of not listening.

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  • twocee2

    I was one who thought the interview was pretty arrogant. Maybe arrogant isn’t the word…maybe it was more that I found it condescending, to both the fans and to Alan Sepinwall himself.

    I totally agree with the premise that Darlton should write and tell the story that they want to tell, and end that story the way they want to end it. It’s up to the viewers to decide if they want to follow along for the ride, even if it may not end the way they want it to.

    My problem with the interview was tone itself (which, as I commented on Alan’s blog, might have been missed since it was a print piece, rather than an audio interview).

    Specifically, they lost me when they said “Are there any readers who actually like the show?” While I can see that might have been a humorous response in person, in print it came off as very b*tchy. As did pretty much every answer to the questions after that response. They had a “how dare you question our vision” attitude, which I found very off-putting. And their reasoning for the Adam and Eve coda scene (which I likened to the Six/Baltar end scene in BSG) was condescending. They really think that their audience didn’t figure out that the actions of Jacob’s mother affected the castaways? How insulting.

    Finally, could it have killed them to answer Alan’s outrigger question? This isn’t something that I’ve ever cared about, but obviously a lot of people do, including the guy doing the interview. If they actually know the answer, and they didn’t have time to answer it the series, why not just answer it now? Again, it came across as arrogant, and rather childish. Haha…we know something, and we’re not going to tell you. It’s like they were 5.

    So yeah, the interview left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Although not for the show, which I still love despite its missteps this season.

  • frank1569

    The mistake “Heroes” made was actually trying NOT to be like ‘Lost’ by choosing to serialize per season, instead of carrying a few big, intriguing long arcs over multiple seasons.

    Plus, most of the ‘Heroes’ stopped being actual heroes and also stopped using any powers that involved more than squinting eyes at stuff. Good thing ‘Smallville’ is still delivering the guilty pleasure delights!

  • mcklowry

    Great post! I find it incredibly difficult to talk to people who refuse to respect that this isn’t THEIR show. I enjoy opinions, not dictations. I can’t help but think that fans who get to this point should stop watching. They are not going to enjoy it. I did just that with The Sopranos. I lost interest with the direction of the show and stopped watching with a few episodes left. Given the outcry the finale got I can’t help but think it was a great decision on my part.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    >>Specifically, they lost me when they said “Are there any readers who actually like the show?”

    See, and I literally laughed out loud. Maybe because I could just hear it in my head–it just seemed a funny remark after a string of “some readers say…” questions.

    There was one particular comment in that thread where someone said Cuselof were arrogantly sending the message, “F— you, we’re going to end the show our way.” And I thought: yes, that’s *exactly* what I want a creator, or an author, or whatever, to tell me. That’s where genius comes from. Abject failure, yes, but also genius.

  • Rorschach

    I really like this post, and the idea (swing big, knowing if you miss you will fall on your ass) applies to a lot of things. I don’t want to get too corny but fear of failure is a big problem in this country in general.

    I’m someone who also liked the interview with Darlton. Frankly, it’s the fans and their demands that I find annoying, whether it’s shippers and Chuck, people who wanted to see blood at the end of Sopranos, or Lost fans who don’t get their way.

  • charlieromeobravo

    for me, Tuesday night I was unhappy with Across the Sea. I feel much better about it after a 2nd viewing. I still feel like it was a bit of a detour but I’m viewing it as something of a history lesson, about the island, about the idea of the island protector, and about Jacob and MiB. It seems to me that they’re as much victims of circumstance as our beloved castaways. I didn’t mind the heavy handed reference to Adam and Eve and House of the Rising Sun. It was not at all subtle but I thought that it bridged the events in Across the Sea back to the regular series arc very nicely.

    I read the interview also and didn’t think much of it. At this point Darlton wouldn’t be doing anyone any favors by pulling punches. I think they’re prepping us for the idea that we might not like the ending or at least might not find it immediately satisfying. They keep making references back to the Sopranos series finale and it’s not lost on me that they’re doing it intentionally. Lost has been wildly popular, particularly for the sort of show that it’s been.

    Here’s something to think about: remember the volume of the reaction to the Sopranos finale? HBO got around 12 million viewer that might. Lost got 12 millon viewer for the season 6 premier and averages (I think) around 10 million so it’s safe to say that it will be larger for the series finale. The end is sure to be controversial so I also think it’s safe to say the reaction will be louder. I think they keep invoking the Sopranos to warn us that the end is going to take some digestion. That’s not typical of a network television show so we’d be wise to pay attention to them.

  • Tom Shaw

    There’s a difference between ambition and arrogance. Ambition creates both stunning successes and failures.

    Except arrogance is the problem here. There’s a difference between saying “Anything we don’t answer is irrelevant to the characters and the show.” and admitting on the Season 6 DVD “Sure, there are bits we didn’t get to answer. Take Sun’s alliance with Widmore in Season 4. We wanted to show just how ruthless she was in getting Jin back – and that should provide you with a clue for why she ended up in 2007 with Esau and not in 1977 – but we ran out of time to deliver any explicit payoff on that prior to the endgame”. The producers have picked the former.

    (Well, that and the audience dismay that a show that was focused on such multi-faceted characters would suddenly veer into the philosophical and the allegorical.
    Except the philosopher references have been in the show for years, and the show has carefully pruned the cast down to middle aged parents to raises the stakes from individual morality to the societal for a reason.
    I understand why the audience feels things have changed, but it was their fault for not catching the hints.)

  • Kevin in Chicago

    I agree with the basic premise, that to be great you have to be willing to risk sucking. However, I don’t think that failing to emulate Lost more was what may have killed Heroes.

    I think that Heroes fell apart because it was unwilling to change anything. If the show really is cancelled, then the end of season three, with news crews capturing Claire’s abilities on film, will be what the end of season one should have been. (Seriously, there’s a super-fight in a plaza in NYC which is conveniently empty, and then a nuclear explosion, and no one notices?) If the show is renewed, I suspect everyone will have decided that the existence of superpowers isn’t newsworthy and the news stations will have run footage of a skateboarding bulldog instead.

    Likewise, before Lost got an end date from ABC, it was spinning its wheels as well, because the creators didn’t want to run out of story.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I’m glad there are shows like Lost creating passion at this level, but I think some folks are being a bit sensitive. Do you know how many times a day these guys are getting pelted with questions? They know they’re going to have a finale creating a chorus of “you suck” from the interweb. It’s inevitable. I can’t blame them if they’re getting irritated or are shoving people off at arm’s length. All they owe us is to put out the best show they can. It would be great if they presented a more open or accesible attitude, but I can’t blame them if they’re not.

  • archstanton68

    Here’s the problem I have with Cuse and Lindelof. they made a point to tell us that everything happening on the island had a basis in science. Now, after 5 seasons, they are essentially just shrugging their shoulders and saying, “it’s magic.” that’s a bait and switch, and people should be pissed off at them. personally, had the show ended after last season (with jughead detonating), it would probably be more satisfying that what we have now.
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    and BTW, the re-hashed scene of the discovery of Adam & Eve conveniently left out the fact that Jack thought the bodies were only 50-60 years old. I guess that’s just more island magic doing its thing.

  • Dave

    In their defense, they do reference Jack’s age estimate in the interview.
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    The one thing about Darlton that really ticked me off was in S5, when they went on and on about WHH and why they don’t like paradoxes. And then S6 starts, and they’re like, “Oh, just kidding.”
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    As for the science/magic stuff, I also recall them saying that they’re not planning on answering everything with science words. Also, keep in mind that this is sci-fi. If you’re dissatisfied with the magical answers they give, just pretend it’s Daniel doing the talking and instead of “light,” replace the words with “electromagnetism.” In sci-fi, the answer is still Magic, but with sciency words.

  • archstanton68

    yeah, and they say “maybe the fabric is magic”.
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    I disagree on the whole science/magic issue. this season is almost entirely dealing with the island in a metaphysical sense. just because the would physics is in there doesn’t mean it has any relation to actual science.
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    To me, it looks like they sat to to map out the endgame of the series, saw how many things needed explaining, and said, “screw it. let’s just call it magic and move on.”

  • fargo20

    You know this kind of thing annoys me no end. This is a perfect example of how some people bring up mysteries that have been perfectly answered and then rant about how they are unanswered. The reason why Sun goes to 2007 has been answered on the show- they were not able to recreate the conditions of the crash closely enough which caused the results to be unpredictable as Elouise had stated, causing some of the losties to be thrown to 1977. If they were able to recreate the conditions closely enough all of them would have landed in 2007 like Sun, this was made clear on the show and Darlton have confirmed it.

  • Kemper

    The Darlton interview did come across as a tad arrogant and defensive to me, but I think there’s a better than average chance that they’re just screwing with us. I’m still witholding judgement on Acrosss the Sea. Depending on the finale, it may be a critical piece of the puzzle. But that thing with the outriggers is bugging me. We’ll see if they’re fibbing about that, too.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    For such an epic series, Lost has managed to keep so much suspense over 6 years. In addition to the obvious mysteries and storylines, it’s also done an incredible job at throwing small clues and hints at its viewers to pick up on. Many of these have gone missed, and many have been spotted. I think that a big part of the show is putting the pieces together like a puzzle – the answers aren’t going to be explicitly stated ever on the show. It’s wrong to expect that. For a show that’s kept us guessing so long, who wants a simple answer. Here’s what I’m talking about regarding the hidden clues/hints along the past 6 seasons: http://thesmogger.com/2010/05/13/looking-at-lost-the-things-you-may-have-missed/

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Serious question: what counts as a satisfactory scientific explanation?

    To me, e.g., saying that the Island is the site of an electromagnetic anomaly is a “scientific” explanation for the time weirdness, for ships not being able to find it, and one that’s good enough for me. But you know, that’s “science” in quotation marks. It’s not something that’s going to hold up in a peer-reviewed journal.

    Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider. That’s science. But it’s “science.” Obviously there’s a long tradition of comics and sci-fi using “radiation” no differently from how we might use “magic.”

    The Big Bang is scientific theory. But what preceded it, if anything? Some explain it through religion; I wouldn’t but I don’t have another answer.

    To me, Lost is saying (thus far) that there is a certain prime mover in the past that is ultimately inexplicable or shrouded in mystery. Maybe its cause is spiritual. Maybe it’s beyond our current scientific knowledge. I’m fine with that, but as I’ve written before, I have a greater tolerance for “a wizard did it” explanations.

  • milpool

    I think its important to keep one element in perspective here: ‘Across The Sea’ was a bad episode.

    Having said that, I don’t mind Darlton’s responses or behavior – I think its less about risk taking and more about the changing nature of a television writer. They have so much more interaction with their fans than writers have ever really had before – and so much instant feedback to their work. You see it happen with a lot of writers responding to fans lately. They have to become thick skinned about criticism or else they would be crushed by it.

    Hell, even making it in the business requires a lot of rejection and failure – you have to grow numb to it and by the end of the day just keep creating. That’s all Darlton can do at this stage anyway. There isn’t another season – there aren’t any more episodes. They can’t course correct like they did with Niki and Paulo in season 3. All they can do is accept the failures, forgive themselves, and move on to the next project.

    Still, I think its a mistake to suggest that this isn’t the fans’ show – or that when fans get pissed off, it’s the fans’ fault for not understanding the geniuses.

  • archstanton68

    “To me, e.g., saying that the Island is the site of an electromagnetic anomaly is a “scientific” explanation for the time weirdness, for ships not being able to find it, and one that’s good enough for me”
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    And in that respect, it’s a fine explanation. Those aspects, especially as they concern the Dharma initiative were interesting. when they start talking about these 2 mystical beings that are immortal (except for when they’re not) having some metaphysical struggle, the whole story bogs down. We spent 5 seasons watching a show about characters, and now they want to to believe it’s actually been about some eternal struggle between 2 unseen entities. we haven’t been given any reason to care about that arc, or even anything that plausibly ties it to the world in which Lost exists. Instead of saying that something on the show cannot be explained, we continually get characters who know more than the audience does, and they either refuse to answer or just give a vague, BS response. that’s not mysterious, it’s just frustrating and vague for the sole purpose of prolonging some mystery that we’re told is somehow important to the fate of the world, even though we’ll probably never find out what the threat was.

  • Dave

    We spent 5 seasons watching a show about characters, and now they want to to believe it’s actually been about some eternal struggle between 2 unseen entities.
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    Yes, the whole series has been about the eternal struggle between the light and the shadow and the resulting balance between them. The whole series has been about making choices and the repercussions. Now the light and the shadow just have faces.

  • Dave

    All the vitriol we’ve been seeing towards this episode is a direct result of the way TV is today. It’s the same reason promising pilots don’t get picked up and interesting shows get dropped early. If a show isn’t immediately rewarding, the audience is able to respond instantly and loudly. After the season finale, this could turn out to be the most important episode of the entire show. Or it could turn out to be this season’s Nikki and Paulo. Trying to guess either way right now is totally fine, but emphatically stating that the episode was a mistake or failure or somehow done wrong is just silly.

  • masurix

    I haven’t started Lost yet. Season 1 is downstairs as soon as I finish up the Stargate series current through Universe.

    However, I think you kind of missed the mark on where Heroes went wrong. It wasn’t just that it pandered to fans, although that is bad enough, but that it didn’t understand the audience it was trying to please. Kring always said he’d never read any superhero stuff, and that was patently obvious as time went on. Heroes had no people in it after season 2 – only caricatures who changed every episode. They had ‘flying man’ instead of Nathan. They had ‘powers guy’ instead of Peter. Instead of writing tight, believable characters whose nature would dictate their actions and reactions – and the consequences of such – they just kept everything so fluid that nothing made sense from episode to episode. It’s like they didn’t want to get bogged down with crazy stuff like consistency and character growth or, you know, coherency.

    I think Stargate:SG-1 is pandering done right. Stargate fans want the heroes to win and be unadulterated good guys, and in almost every episode that’s what happens. But it still manages to be interesting and watchable, because you love the characters themselves. If Heroes could have figured that piece out, it would have been okay.

  • milpool

    While I agree that emerging television shows with promise aren’t given enough of a chance to blossom, we are talking about one of the final episodes in the series’ 6th season. (More importantly I think what you are talking about is a need for immediate gratification on the part of the networks wanting instant hits)

    Because of Lost’s developing arcs, episodes can turn out to be more satisfying as the show progresses – that’s true.
    Still, to suggest that episodes shouldn’t be entertaining in and of themselves – that critics are being close-minded and narrow – seems to forget the fact that we are talking about a television show. The audience tunes in week-to-week to be entertained, moved, provoked, and challenged. By taking the story away from the characters we actually care about – and working in much more ‘allegorical’ terms – the show disappointed a lot of fans. And we are going to blame the fans for that?

    But most people I know feel pretty similar – disappointed in the episode, yet hopeful that the finale will redeem it somehow. Maybe the episode will taste better with some modern context. But a good episode of Lost shouldn’t need help from other episodes. It should stand on its own. Especially this episode, which is telling us a very distinct, contained story in an era that the show will likely never venture back to again.

  • rosseau

    Simply put, it’s their show and they can and should do whatever they like with it. It’s their vision and has been for the last six years. It’s a very ambitious, sprawling, dense, and messy vision that includes quantum physics, string theory, mulitiverses, Chiristianity, Egyptian mythology, character redemptions, action tropes, spy stuff and the trapped on an island genre. Juggling that many balls and doing it successfully enough that in six years, millions of words have been written about this show–most of them by viewers–entitles the creators to a bit of arrogance, if that’s what you want to call it, and defensiveness on how this narrative and thematic behemoth that has inspired and entertained for so long will end. One cannot go back in time to stop a novelist two thirds of the way in his work and ask him to change the ending he had planned. So why do the same with Lost? Why not let a vision play out and trust that the creators know what they are doing? This is their show after all.

    I thought they had a right to sound arrogant because they realize the end will not please all if not most of their fans who, because of the uniquely interactive nature of this show–the greatest back and forth in TV history, probably–feel like its their show and that they are the showrunners. But they are not. Being taken on a wondrous ride for six years and then complaining about the final two or three episodes, no matter what they contain is a right, but unless the writers get it spectacularely wrong, seems ungrateful and not worthy of a true fan.

  • denisemorris

    Oh, man.

    1. I really do think that the Lost producers have been very clear from the beginning that we have science combined with faith/spirituality/magic. That’s been the constant battle between Jack and Locke, and since Lost has shades of gray, I think we should know by now that it’s a combination of the two.

    Also, watch the pilot. The Losties see a MONSTER MADE OF SMOKE. It kills people. They see ghosts constantly. All kinds of weirdo magic stuff going on. And like I mentioned in another post, season 5 was all about Dharma and science. Now season 6 is focusing more on the mythology. It’s not like the idea of Jacob is new to us. Granted, we didn’t know for sure if he even existed until the finale of season 5, but he’s always been talked about. We’ve always known there’s some “higher power” related to the island. Whether it’s light (faith) or electromagnetism (science) — there’s some weird crap on that island.

    Also, Locke basically tells us the greater mythology of Lost in the pilot when he talks to Walt about backgammon. Two sides. Dark and light. It’s all right there–it’s not really like they’ve been tricking us.

    2. They did seem a bit defensive in that interview, but I think I would be too. Everyone is hyper-critical, and what’s annoying to me is that people seem to want answers to stuff that has already been answered, or that you really could figure out if you thought about it. They’ve created an awesome show, and even if I don’t love the ending, I’ve absolutely loved the show and am so glad they made it.

    3. Good write-up.

    Stepping down off of my soapbox. :-)

  • denisemorris

    Agree!! Nicely put.

  • jeia56

    Great piece James, I fully agree with pretty much everything you said. I mean, name one finale of a defining show that hasn’t been controversial. Seinfeld? BSG? The Sopranos? Not one of them had a universally loved series finale precisely because the writers and creators told their story the way they wanted to tell it. Could you imagine if Seinfeld had been created in todays era? No way would it have the same impact on television and pop culture.

    This may seem like a strange comparison, but I liken Darlton to Christopher Nolan. When Nolan made the Dark Knight he was taking on one of the most famous villains ever to be created, and who did he cast? Heath Ledger? Fans were outraged. How the hell was Heath Ledger going to play The Joker? Well, we all know how that turned out. Nolan made The Dark Knight the way he wanted to make it. That movie was either going to be really good or really bad. There was no middle ground precisely because Nolan created what he wanted to create.

    In the age of twitter, facebook, fan sites and “instant reaction” blogs, the viewer has never held more power over television. It’s refreshing to see a show that is going to tell their story the way they want to tell it, no matter how outraged fans are. I firmly believe that Darlton had the majority of Lost planned right from the beginning. If you can recall, when the end date of the show was announced during season three, I believe Darlton stated that they already had the final scene storyboarded. Those who claim that they wrote themselves into a corner are false. Lost is telling the story that it wants to tell.

  • teresakopec

    Frankly I’m sticking with my original opinion that they came across as kind of douchey in that interview. I agree w/their overall point, but I think they could have phrased it more like “We appreciate our fans so much, but we have to stick w/our vision” than “who cares what a bunch of cheeto eating losers who will never do anything as good as us” think.

    I’ve seen lots of successful, creative folks (actors, writers, etc who understand the need to maintain creative controll over a project) complaining abt this season. It doesn’t mean that Lost isn’t an incredible show. It just means that certain key elements aren’t holding together.

    I don’t think every question has to be answered, but I reserve the right to be slightly disappointed after five years in the way the show appears to be ending. And any artist who puts work out in the world needs to expect that people are going to judge that work.

    So guys, end it the way you want. It’s been a great run and it’s your show. Just don’t whine if we don’t heap the same praise you’re used to on this last season.

  • sjulius

    You know James, I guess it just depends on what kind of person you are. Unless we’re talking about Lord Of The Rings, I prefer to have an explanation that goes further than “a wizard did it.” I don’t need the writers to go further than the electromagnetism explanation because I have an elementary knowledge of physics. I understand that electromagnetism is a “fundamental force” in the universe and is essential to almost all the phenomena we experience in everyday life. But, some people don’t know that. I think that would give more weight to “the source,” as mother called it, if someone (Zoe?) explains that to the audience. I miss Daniel Faraday. His explanations of the island are one my favorite elements of the series. I hope we see him in the finale.

  • Dave

    Honest question: do we consider casting information as spoilers? Like knowing who will be guest starring in an episode?

  • humanebean

    James, I agree with most of your points – both in your recap of “Across The Sea” and here in your discussion of the recent Darlton interview. Two quick points on the larger issue of dealing with a fanbase:
    * First, I think most of us assume that Darlton are only responding to reasoned, passionate commentary by engaged fans. They hear it ALL – and a casual survey of the comment section on any blog (not to mention a listen to what passes for opinion on our 24/7 infotainment loudspeakers) shows that much commentary is under-informed, self-indulgent and unnecessarily vitriolic. Not ALL, but quite a lot. Creative types who are in the business of serving the masses must adopt a measured strategy for dealing with all of this – and it is inevitable that some of these commentators will feel ill-served by this strategy.
    * Secondly, I feel that most of the individuals who bloviate about how badly their needs are being addressed have little to no experience at creating/managing content and presenting it in the face of a maelstrom of public scrutiny. IMO, Darlton have done a superior job of working within this crucible.
    Personally, I was initially disappointed in “Across the Sea” and found the storytelling underwhelming in several respects. Upon watching it a second time, I thought it played better and feel that it will stand up well in the series overall. I am eager to see how the next installments play out and respectful of the job the entire LOST team has done of creating a multi-layered pop confection worthy of passionate discussion.

  • olivececile

    Huh. I didn’t get that, and I’m a pretty close watcher of the show. If that’s the reason, that is not a dramatically interesting reason. You could explain literally anything with that. I guess if you try to make your show meaningful, people are going to expect that meaningful things happen. Weird.

    (I say this with a lot of love for Lost, which I think has gone off the deep end in a lot of ways this season but remains a triumph to me, I must say.)

  • olivececile

    James, I would say the difference between science and magic is internal consistency. Science follows some set of rules (although we may not know what they are). Magic might, but it doesn’t have to. The problems getting to and from the island have been explained using science, and while I’m not satisfied with the explanation, I guess the women not giving birth has been explained with science. I don’t expect a scientific explanation of the dead people showing up (since clearly there is something mystical going on there), but if it’s consistent I can deal. However, it’s not – Walt breaks all the rules and not in a way that’s ever been explained.

    There’s also an aspect of teasing us with hints that point towards a realistic explanation but (so far) haven’t paid off. My big for instance is the smoke monster. It doesn’t bother me that he was birthed from the glowy cave, but it bothers me that he randomly sounds like a taxi cab/roller coaster. That implies mechanical underpinnings which clearly do not exist. So, yes, I’m a little grumpy about “a wizard did it” explanations, but only when they seem to imply a lack of imagination or thoughtfulness about what is being presented.

  • http://operaencatala.wordpress.com Wimsey

    Remember when Daybreak, Part I, the first hour of BSG’s finale, aired one year ago? Most people hated theose long flashbacks. We only had three hours left! So why bother with Adama’s job interview in Caprica or Baltar’s problems with his father? Then we saw hours 2&3 and we understood.
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    BSG had also a religious theme from chapter one, and I didn’t understand people complaining at the end: which series where they watching? In Lost we have magic, science fiction and the white/black struggle from the very beginning, so I perfectly agree with C&D decisions.

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