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Lostwatch: Here Come the Waterworks

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LOST - "The Candidate" - Jack must decide whether or not to trust Locke after he is asked to follow through on a difficult task, on "Lost," TUESDAY, MAY 4 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) TERRY O'QUINN

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, grab your things—here, take this backpack—and watch last night’s Lost.

While Lost was airing on the East Coast last night, I was at the Time 100 gala at the Time Warner Center, seated between Rachael Ray and Lost producer Carlton Cuse. (Through dinner, Cuse was getting text updates from the high school baseball game his son was pitching. They won.)

Just after 10 p.m., I got a text from Mrs. Tuned In at home:

Lost was amazing

I showed it to Cuse, who smiled and said cryptically that big things were happening on the episode, things that might upset some fans but that were necessary to show the stakes now that the series was four episodes away from ending. “Nobody is safe,” he said.

Down on the Jazz at Lincoln Center stage, Prince was about to play a set, but part of me just wanted to rush home and watch “The Candidate.” Mrs. Tuned In, as she usually is, was right.

Lost was amazing last night—and heartbreaking, and horrifying, and breathtaking, and in some ways maddening—in an episode that advanced the endgame plot, gave Matthew Fox a potential Emmy clip, and took away some of the characters we’ve loved since the series began.

It can be easy, watching a show like Lost—especially one with so many resurrections and fake-out “deaths”—to be lulled into the sense that certain characters are simply unkillable because they’re too important. In a way, “The Candidate” meta-referenced that feeling. When Sawyer told Widmore he didn’t believe he would actually kill Kate, he had to be speaking in part for us, if for different reasons: he can’t kill her because she’s Evangeline Lilly! The bomb can’t go off, because the show would be over! (Wouldn’t it?) Even Lapides—seemingly residing in Davy Jones’ locker now—seemed to be bulletproof: they have to keep him around to fly the plane, right?

Apparently not. The most important thing about “The Candidate” was not that the deaths for their own sake, but they did serve an important function. They showed—like Keamy’s sudden execution of Alex did in a different way—that Lost is willing to pull the trigger.

But that would mean nothing if the show were not also still able to pull our heartstrings. Sun and Jin’s deaths, after a pulse-pounding, claustrophobic rescue attempt in the sinking submarine, were wrenching but, more important, ultimately true to their characters. I did wonder, as a parent, why Sun would not ask Jin to swim to safety for the sake of Ji Yeon. But it makes sense to me that he wouldn’t be able to leave her. They’ve been separated for three years and finally, briefly, brought back together.

Deciding whether to stay with Sun or leave for their baby’s sake would have been agonizing, and I think the scene would have been stronger to show him wrestling with it. But ultimately it makes sense—for Jin—knowing that his child is being cared for, that he could not leave Sun to drown alone. And an excellent performance by Yunjin Kim, who managed to convey not just her fear of dying, but the deeper sorrow that what she had fought so hard to get—a future with her family—is being stolen from her. She made me feel not just the horror of her death, but worse, the aching loss of the long lives she and Jin should have had.

[A general principle, by the way, about scenes like this, before this devolves into an argument about parenting. To me, as a father, it seems natural and automatic that two parents would, however painful it was, try to make sure that one of them survived for their daughter. But that's me, and I'm suspicious of anyone who claims that they know how every parent would behave in a certain situation—there is no "every parent," there is no "every person"—or who plays the "you can't understand until you have kids" card. People respond differently facing death, and while I may think I know what I would have done in that situation, I also think it would be arrogant to claim that I know what I would have done until I've actually stared down death.]

With all this going on, Sayid’s self-sacrifice—which could have been a pivotal moment by itself—was overshadowed and comparatively sudden, but I was glad to see that he had the chance to make one last, autonomous decision to do the right thing. It’s important to remember that Sayid, as sympathetic as he is, was not exactly a good guy even before he took his Magic Smokey Bath: extenuating circumstances or not, he’s done some awful things. He’s been a character who’s teetered between good and bad, manipulated by others to compromise himself. Whether it was the urgency of the moment or that conversation back at the well with Desmond, it was satisfying that he got one moment to decide, of his own volition, that however badly he wanted to see Nadia alive again, he was no longer going to be somebody’s hit man.

Meanwhile, “The Candidate,” between the flash-sideways and the events on the sub, deftly swung Jack back to being the sympathetic protagonist for the series’ ending. Jack has often been a hard character to like—high-handed and stubborn—and I’ve admired both Lost and Fox for being willing to make him hard to like. But this new Jack, both on the Island and in the flash-sideways, has seemed finally to internalize his experience and become better for it.

First we had the Jack who wanted to fix everything and knew what was best for everyone; then we had the Jack who, for much of this season, seemed to drop out and passively put himself in the hands of others. Now Jack is accepting responsibility, but he’s also humbled, and Fox communicated that ably in his double-shot of final scenes, talking to Sideways Locke about learning to let go, and breaking down on the beach as he realizes that his friends are dead because he’s been conned by Smokey.

At the TIME dinner last night, after I showed Cuse Mrs. Tuned In’s text and told her about it, she texted back, jokingly, that I should tell Cuse she was now too distraught to go to bed. Everything we saw last night, he said, was setting the series up to resolve itself by focusing on the characters, in a way that feels earned. “Tell her it’ll be all right,” he said.

I’m taking his word for it. But I don’t assume that means we’re going to get all happy endings. Sob.

Now a quick hail of bullets:

* One other tidbit I got from Cuse, but which had broken elsewhere by the time I left the TIME 100: Cuselof got ABC to wrench 30 minutes from the affiliates, and the May 23 finale will now be 2 1/2, count them 2 1/2, hours long.

* I’m treating Lapidus as dead, but I’m willing to hear arguments to the contrary. If he is, though, that would seem to put the plane as well as the sub out of commission. Is there any way off this rock now?

* The opening Sideways scene seemed to reveal the title “The Candidate” as a misdirection, referring to Sideways Locke, but what about Sayid’s last words: “It’s going to be you, Jack.” What does Sayid know?

* After the hints I’d gotten, I watched the episode expecting to see someone buy it, but early on, I ewas expecting it to be Claire. I’m glad it wasn’t, because to have her die after being left behind one last time would, in its way, have been even more horrible than Sun and Jin’s death. They at least died feeling loved; after all those years on the island with Squirrel Baby, I didn’t want Claire’s last feeling to be abandonment.

* As for Locke/Smokey, there’s been a lot of debate about this, but the episode, and Cuselof’s interview with Doc Jensen, seem to leave little doubt that he’s an actual bad guy. Right?

* Speaking of which, Locke’s con regarding the plane, the sub and the C4 took me by surprise, but I’m left with a question. His con depends in part on the argument that Widmore wanted them to take the plane, or else it wouldn’t have been so lightly guarded. This was all a ruse, yes—but then why did Widmore leave the plane so lightly guarded?

* For all the deaths in the episode, the moment that crystallized for me the fact that things are getting real here was when Hurley, our designated cheerleader, started sobbing. Hurley’s had dramatic moments before, but—and I may be recalling this wrong—I don’t think we saw him weep that unrestrainedly even when Libby died. That may have been the most unsettling moment of all.

* This post is running too late for me to go back and look for all of them, but “The Candidate” was full of greatest-hits callbacks to Lost episodes past: “I wish you’d believed me,” the button, the polar-bear cages and so on. Any other noteworthy ones?

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  • mcnater

    James,

    Did you REALLY need to see Jin and Sun mention their daughter as a reason for Jin to save himself? I’m pretty sure that it is implied in the looks they are giving one another at the end there. I don’t really need them to scream it out or have them say her name to know that is what they are ultimately thinking about.

    I’ve seen this criticism elsewhere and think it’s a bit funny coming from the same critics who always tell us the show should “show” not “tell”.

    Anyway, a gut wrenching episode that left me teary eyed and slack jawed.

    Smokey must go down now.

    ~Nate

  • chelsea15jk

    2 1/2 hours!? Hey Cuselof I love you!

    Well they never showed Lapidus like floating around or anything, so I’m gonna cross my fingers he’s still alive.

    Stupid Sawyer! Although I guess I don’t blame him for not listening to Jack. Juliet is still dead after all.

    Speaking of Jack, he’s still hot. XD

    I’m really depressed about Sayid. He was turning all not-zombie and everything then BOOM!

    Good question about the plane thing…

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Fair point. But to me, “show don’t tell” is a valid criticism when a script forces characters to say what they would not in real life. “You have to go for Ji Yeon,” on the other hand, is something someone would say, literally and explicitly, in real life. You’d say it because know it’s wrenching to your spouse to leave you, and you say it because, on some level, they need your permission so as not to go through life feeling they abandoned you. I mean, if it’s not overexplicit for Sun to explicitly tell Jin to save himself, why would it be overly explicit for her to ask him to do it for her daughter’s sake?

    Having said that (1) as I say above, I don’t pretend to know what every parent would do in the situation and (2) it’s not as if this is the first time that Lost has chosen to have a character not make a simple direct statement they naturally would have in real life.

  • tracy5s

    Wow. This was the best episode of the season! I had the same thought about leaving Sun/Jin’s baby behind, but in the end, it’s a love story about the two of them and I thought it was appropriate and heart-wrenching that they die together (even if Titanic crossed my mind several times watching the scene).

    I loved Sayid’s ending and for the fact that he redeemed himself by saving the others but those last few seconds seemed so rushed. It happened before I realized it and there was no time to say goodbye!

    What did the “I wished you believed me ” refer to? I recognized it but can’t remember…(so many details!)

  • http://sth.freeshell.org/ stharward

    As far as Jin’s “Sophie’s choice” goes, my gut reaction as a new father was that I wanted him to leave so he could raise Ji Yeon. But after I thought about it after the episode, staying with Sun was the better choice. Jin hadn’t ever met Ji Yeon, and it wasn’t certain that he’d ever get off the island to be with her. And even if he did, he’d be starting off raising a toddler who never knew him, constantly haunted by the memory of leaving Sun to die. Ji Yeon is probably better off being raised by her wealthy (if sketchy) grandparents, than being raised by a poor and broken father. I tough choice for sure, but I think, ultimately, the right one.

  • evizle

    As good as this episode was, Sayid’s death was entirely unsatisfying. Sun and Jin get a 5 minute long death scene (which was appropriate), but Sayid gets 5 seconds of being Sayid again before he dies? The character deserved much better.

    I hope Lapidus is dead.

    I never really disliked Jack as much as everyone else, but damn has retaken the hero role. The moment of his that I loved, that I’ve yet to see anyone mention was on the dock when Smokey is trying to talk him into getting on the sub. Smokey says “whoever told you you needed to stay had no idea what they were talking about.” And Jack tells him “John Locke told me I needed to stay” before pushing Smokey in the water. That’s the first time we’ve ever seen Jack get mad at Smokey. And not mad because he’s evil, but mad because he stole Locke’s body and is trampling over Jack’s memory of him. Very well done.

  • dodonna

    “This was all a ruse, yes—but then why did Widmore leave the plane so lightly guarded?”

    My presumption was that Widmore really *did* intend to use the plane as an explosive booby trap. Smokey anticipated this, but knew that–for “rules”-related reasons–the bomb wouldn’t work unless the remaining Candidates set it off themselves.

    “Is there any way off this rock now?”

    I had a depressing thought: that there is now no way off the Island, and that in the end only Jack (as the new Jacob) and Smokey will be left.

  • Dave

    Is there any way off this rock now?

    Jacob had the power to call people to the Island and to allow them to leave. I’ve been thinking that Jacob 2.0 will have the same power, so it makes sense that, if anyone still wants to leave (or if anyone else is still alive to leave) by the end, Jacob 2.0 could just call someone in, load up the ship, and send them off.

    What does Sayid know?

    Our speculation was that when he didn’t shoot Desmond, he asked if Desmond wanted help getting out of the hole, and Desmond told him that Jack was going to get him out.

    Other stuff:
    I’m not sure if the Cigarette/Shark commercial was national or local, but it kind of killed the moment when Sun and Jin died.

    I distinctly remember thinking, in the first half of the episode, “More maneuvering, more posturing, blah, blah, blah,” and asking myself when the fireworks were going to start. Then the fireworks started :)

    After the episode, we were kind of blown away by just how much active stuff there is to resolve in so little time. I’m confident the resolution won’t feel rushed or incomplete, but we also discussed just how daunting of a task it is to pull off a good ending after a great show (Heroes season 1, anyone?).

  • Kemper

    Sun, Jin, Sayid and probably Lapidus all dead.

    Yet Kate’s still around even after getting shot and being trapped on a flooding submarine. *sigh* She’s never going away, is she?

  • teresakopec

    I have to admit that I was more pissed than sad at Jin & Sun’s death. It seemed to me that they deserved more than some cheap knock off of the Titanic. (Kept expecting to hear “My Heart Will Go On” at any moment.)

    Sayid’s death too seemed rushed & unworthy of a major character. Neither of them rose to the level of Charlie’s iconic death scene in moving the story forward or drama. I knew Sayid had to go in a moment of sacrifice, but he deserved a minute or two of conflict.

    What concerns me the most is that the previews seem to hint that the next three episodes will focus on the Jacob vs Smokey conflict.This seems like a cheat after five years of coming to care about the main characters.

  • Rorschach

    Either Locke said “I wish you believed me to Jack” or it was what was written on the note he given to Jack after Locke died. I think it was the latter.

  • teresakopec

    I worry you’re right. And that pretty much sucks. I’d be OK with Jack being left behind to be the new Jacob, but somebody needs to get off this island and have a happy life. (And sadly, the only one I still give half a damn about getting a happy ending is Hurley.)

  • Rorschach

    I took it another way entirely. I thought that if Sun explicitly mentioned the child the audience would think it kind of cruel for Jin to stay. I think it’s a more powerful ending for the two without putting “who will care for the child” at the forefront.

  • treepeony

    I think that cigarette/shark thing was national (I saw it in TX) and I agree. It completely killed the moment.

  • treepeony

    No, no she’s not. We’re stuck with that piece of wood until the end no doubt.

  • ellesk

    I don’t know… I wanted to like this episode more than I did, but at this point, I feel like it was just a cheap exploitation of our feelings.
    Lost is famous for killing off characters – new, old, loved, hated – whether to forward the plot or simply for shock value. But at this stage in the game, when there are mere *hours* left, it seems like a diversion. Quite frankly, nothing really happened in this episode save for the deaths of Sayid/Jin/Sun (which felt so forced – I love Sayid, and they grossly misused him in this season – where’s that complex, robust character we once knew & loved?) They got on the submarine(again), Sawyer & Jack disagreed (again), they realized they had to go back(again), they found out MIB was evil(again), and we got homage to a plethora of moments in a show that isn’t even over yet.
    We still have the alt-reality, so we know that we’re going to see the trinity of characters that got offed again. There’s also the assumption that the alt-reality will either triumph, or somehow converge, with the island-reality, which means that we haven’t seen the last of the personalities we grew to love on the island anyway. And, as there are only 3 hours left of the show, we don’t get to feel the impact of their deaths for as long as we did with, say, Charlie. Couple that with the hugely similar Titanic-style death (I’ll never let go/I’ll never leave) & it was just too hard to stay in the moment.
    I just feel like I’ve really lost the thread of this show. What is their goal? Ever since the reveal of the Oceanic 6, I feel like they’ve sort of just had these roundabout plots which advanced the stories instead of the characters. And killing off major characters just so there will be less of them around to ask the pertinent questions isn’t the best strategy for a show whose foundation was built upon a myriad of mysteries.
    I want to believe that this will somehow be validated in the end, but I’m losing a little bit of hope.

  • Tom Shaw

    Lapidus could have survived. If he recovered from the hatch before drowning, he could have grabbed a breather and swam up after the others. That would have been the briefest (and vaguest) death of any series regular on the show.

    And yes, Widmore planted the dynamite to block Smokey (and whomever else) from escaping. Widmore had the Candidates (or enough Candidates, anyway) safely in custody, so Locke and anyone else on his side were fair game for elimination.

    Alt-Locke’s backstory was pretty obvious as soon as we saw vegetative alt-Cooper (though I was expecting car crash), but it was still effective for both Locke & Jack.

    As to the farewell tour: I liked that the Jin/Sun deaths hit Charlie’s death beat. On the other hand, as much as Lost has probably earned this nostalgia, I will be unhappy if major questions are left unanswered because they were too busy twisting the plot in knots just so they could get dural sac, bear cage, sub, etc. references in.

    Interesting that Smokey’s transformations are limited by water. Puts the various baptisms we’ve seen in the show (Aaron, Sayid) in another light, doesn’t it?

  • treepeony

    The writers got themselves into a corner and didn’t know how to get out of it so instead of killing off characters earlier in the season we got this hodge podge of REUNION! REDEMPTION! EXPLOSION! SOBBING! It’s almost as if the writers were saying, “We killed people tragically and now Hurley is crying! You made us kill Jin and Sun and they have a BABY! Now give us our Emmy or we’ll make Jack cry some more!”

    Apparently the survivor count was too high and people had to go but instead of having the balls to off a fan fav earlier in the season the writers decided to drag out the mystery, because people who have been watching this show for YEARS are going suddenly stop once the Whispers and the Smoke Monster have been explained.

    I don’t have a problem with people dying. I loved Battlestar Galactica and that show had a fracking countdown to Extinction! Death was practically a character in that show. Death we can handle but this was too many at once. Sayid’s redemption deserved at the very least his own half of an episode somewhere. Lapidus deserved an explanation of why he was there and why he was important, because he was important RIGHT? Nobody just ends up on the Island because they were having a bad day. But instead we get a sub bulkhead to the chest and a watery grave. BOO.

    Now I’m going to keep watching on the slim chance that the writers some how manage to make this all better by the end of the series but I don’t have my hopes up.

  • Dave

    I think it’s be humorous that, after all Widmore (and others) has done to guard against Smokey, all they needed was a few super-soakers. Though I’m pretty impressed at Smokey’s skills with guns… you’d think he’d stick to more elegant weapons from a more civilized age. He’s apparently also made a bomb or two in his day.

    …as much as Lost has probably earned this nostalgia, I will be unhappy if major questions are left unanswered because they were too busy twisting the plot in knots just so they could get… references in.

    I’ve got similar feelings about the fake timeline in general. They’ve dedicated about half the season to something that may or may not have any influence on the real world. If all of that time ultimately was wasted just so they could say, “Oh, so-and-so is coming back for S6!” I’ll be very unhappy. Of all the questions up in the air right now, that would probably be the thing that bothers me more than anything else (absurd resolutions aside).

  • flyingheidigirl

    LOST, you broke my heart. That’s all I got.

  • ellesk

    Well, if there’s anything we learned from Jin’s (1st) [pseudo] death, it’s that until we see a body, there’s no real proof that they’re dead.
    They couldn’t just do that to Lapidus, though, could they? I’d be disappointed.

  • antilles13

    I thought the same thing at the time. I was even williing to go so far as complaining about Sayid’s entire arc this season being a dead end.

    But from Sayid’s comment to Jack, and the fact that he states Desmond is still alive, there obviously has to be more to Sayid’s story. Something happened at that well, and at some point they have to show us, right? Hopefully we’ll get more of Sayid next week, and he’ll get his proper ending.

  • ellesk

    Here’s another thing that hasn’t been mentioned… MIB’s plan was so gloriously flawed that only an intense series of coincidental events could have led to the outcome that happened last night.
    What was his intent when he went to the plane? Did he know there were explosives on it? Did he always plan on leading them to the sub? How could he have been sure that Jack would have gotten on the sub, considering how adamant he was about not leaving the island? The only reason Jack even got on the submarine was because Kate was shot by Widmore’s people, something he could not have foreseen. What if Jack hadn’t looked inside his backpack for 4 minutes – would the bomb have been deactivated, leading them to leave the island? What exactly does MIB need to get off the island? A lack of candidates? Do they have to be explicitly dead or do they just need to not contain him on-island? If so, why couldn’t they have all just gone home?
    And what exactly is this “rule” when it comes to how candidates/people Jacob touched can & cannot be killed?
    Oh, Lost.

  • jojamapa

    For me the question of why the *sub* was left unguarded was the bigger mystery. Considering it’s the only sure way off the island (that we know about) it’s mighty fishy that Charles would leave it alone. In fact, the attack by Widmores lousy hench-people (who shoot worse than Storm Troopers) seemed more to push our heroes onto the sub rather than keep them away from it. Combine that with stupid handling of the sonic fencing (why not just leave it where it was and put the candidates inside – and why wouldn’t you put the POWER SOURCE for the sonic fencing inside the perimeter of the fencing itself…?) and the all too-easy set up at the plane and I have to wonder if Widmore and Smokey have some kind of agreement. Charles always seemed more interested in possessing the powers of the island than anything else – perhaps he made a Faustian bargain with Smokey as well?

    There was some action in the ep that stretched credulity and I really believe that they could have done the whole sub-plot in a more realistic manner. I hope they concentrate more on good writing and acting in the last 4+ hours. The plane to me (as well as Franks presence) has always seemed like a red herring. Please tell me they are not going to fly a crashed jumbo jet off a little sandy strip of island “runway”. I am cringing at the very thought of that “special” effect.

  • originalray

    Did MIB really ever want to get off the island? There’s no sub now and, presumably, no pilot for the plane that must be in pretty bad shape anyway.

    So, was his goal to kill all the candidates, leaving nobody to replace Jacob? If he succeeds, then what?

    Also, if that is his goal, how will he bring about the deaths of Jack, Hurley and Sawyer, if the “rules” prohibit him from killing them himself? My guess here is that he’ll try putting a gun to Kate’s head and ordering Sawyer to shoot the other two.

  • timshel1112

    Does anyone else see “leaving the island” as a metaphor for suicide?

  • menevets

    Greatest hits callbacks:

    THE MUSIC BOX

    What was Rosseau’s music box doing with Christian in flash sideways and why did Christian give it to Claire? Will this be another unanswered question or a an important symbol?

  • jaynola

    Did anyone else think that alt-timeline Bernard knew more about everything than he was letting on? His interaction with Jack seemed a little strange to me.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    Last night’s episode was probably the most emotional one for me yet this season – it really brought back home the concept that this season will be ending everything. With Sun and Jin dying, I’m really left wondering what else could happen that could make me feel as upset as I was last night – they have consistently been my favorite storyline on the show (and “Ji Yeon” my favorite episode of all time). I hope the rest of the episodes this season have the same focus on the characters and wrap up the storylines that we’ve come to love and want closure to – it’s really crazy that it’s all finally goign to be over soon. http://thesmogger.com/2010/04/30/lost-the-final-countdown/

  • beerbaron

    Judging by Jacob’s wine cork metaphor, MIB would very much like to leave the island. Hey, does the donkey wheel still work?

  • japrufrock32

    I feel a bit like odd person out here, but the truth is that I didn’t get at all upset about the deaths of Sayid or Jin and Sun. At this point, I’m still convinced that the sideways timeline is the only one that matters, and that everything that happens on the island is working toward making the alternate timeline come true. Most of the major characters in that timeline now possess the human connections they previously lacked. Even our already-dead John Locke appears to be headed toward redemption.

  • beerbaron

    Pretty sure it’s a different music box. Rousseau’s had a ballerina and played something from Carmen.

  • Frugal Gal

    I think the plane was lightly guarded because Widmore knew it wasn’t really important. The guys who were there might not have even been guards so much as lookouts.
    *
    I also believe Widmore KNOWS that everyone has to die for MIB to get off the island, as much as MIB does. He imprisoned the castaways to keep an eye on them. He could have told them what was going on, but remember, he considered Claire to be on MIB’s side, and he had good reason to distrust Sawyer. And even when they are told what is going on, when have Kate, Jin, etc., been known for just sitting still and waiting to be protected? Easier to keep them all safe under lock and key then let them wander around, picking one another off one by one. Except for the whole “Sayid kills the power” thing.
    *
    Back to the plane — I think MIB planted the explosives on the plane. When Jack made it clear he wasn’t getting on the plane, then using it became less of an option. MIB took the watch off the dead guy’s hand BEFORE he got on the plane — he had to know the explosives were there.
    *
    Did MIB lie about the explosives when the question of Widmore planting them came up? I’d have to go back and look (the transcript isn’t up on LOSTpedia yet) but did MIB actually SAY Widmore did it? Did he just describe his own actions in the third person — “He wants you all in one enclosed location so he can kill you all.”
    *
    I don’t see any way Lapidus is alive, unless he’s got some Jacob mojo working that we don’t know about. He didn’t just get inundated with water, that door hit him in the head. I don’t think he can just wake up from that and swim away.
    *
    Regarding Ji Yeon. I don’t think Jin was abandoning her as much as he was unwilling to let Sun die alone. Keep in mind, his child really is only an idea to him, she’s not real. Sun was real and she was going to die.
    *
    Assuming Kate and Claire both get back to the States, it wouldn’t suprise me at all if Kate ends up raising Ji Yeon. I could see Sun having made provision for that.
    *
    I honestly don’t think it would have been right for Sayid to get some kind of grand exit, a drawn-out heroic sacrifice. It would have seemed forced — “Our morally-ambiguous, lovelorn former torturer who has been void of feeling the entire season, who shot a child, will now have ten minutes to prove’s he’s really A Good Man. Sit back, Sayid-lovers, and enjoy.” I actually think it makes more sense for him to have gone out the way he did — in a split-second decision he had to rely on pure instinct, not whether he could earn redemption or do something So Good that he would see Nadia again. And in the split-second, he made the sacrificial choice.
    *
    As angry as Sawyer has been at Jack for his decisions causing Juliet’s death, I cannot imagine how he will feel once he realize how many and who died in the sub. If he didn’t care if he lived or died before, he certainly won’t now.
    *
    I think Claire is starting to understand that she has been used by MIB.
    *
    Finally, another shout-out to a previous episode was when Locke (I think) said “What happened, happened.” I miss Faraday.

  • Frugal Gal

    The box DID play “Catch a Falling Star.”

  • japrufrock32

    Just wanted to add that the only thing that has made me question this theory over the past several weeks has been the continued presence of Chesty. After all, if the pilot lives, it stands to reason that *someone* will be flying off the island. Now that he is (apparently) gone, I’m almost positive that everyone in the island timeline will die so that their alter-egos can get on with their “real” lives.

  • Frugal Gal

    Makes sense — everyone else’s memories started coming back once they encountered their “true love.” Bernard and Rose are together. My only question would be when thet started remembering.

  • tmzofdc

    What do you think the significance of mirrors is? Jack & Claire looking into the mirror of the music box together seemed important. Jack had previously smashed the mirrors in Jacob’s lighthouse that allowed him to see his house. Are mirrors a way to see some other time?

    Also what submarine was Widmore on? Was it the same sub that Sawyer & Juliet tried to leave on? If it wasn’t that one, then is that one still on the island?

    Also, what will Claire’s reaction be to being left behind? Will she seek revenge on Kate? or is she no longer crazy now that she sees how evil Smokey is?

  • Dave

    I’m not entirely sure how many subs there are, but if the DI only had one sub, which got inherited by Mittelos/the Others, John Locke blew it up in season 3. It makes sense that Widmore would have his own sub, though I’m really not sure how much it would cost for the DI to have multiple subs.

  • http://jgirlie99.wordpress.com jgirlie99

    This is the thing that I think is important to remember: Lost, being the dramatic TV show that it is, often glorifies deaths of our most beloved characters, ie: Charlie, Sun, Jin, etc. There are a lot of characters, however, that receive more realistic, totally unglorified deaths, which provides some type of believability in an otherwise super fantastical and unrealistic show.

    We knew Sun and Jin were going to die, no matter how much we did not want it to happen… a huge lead up to Sayid’s death would have been just as predictable (even with the hope of it not happening), and sometimes, in order to change things up and keep a dying show exciting, surprises are necessary. It may seem an afront to Sayid’s character to kill him off so ingloriously, but it shocked the hell out of us and provided great entertainment… I think =)

  • John Cloud

    Nice post, JP, particularly because I assume it came after a food-and-schmooze haze that I’m very happy I got to miss this year. This was indeed an amazing episode. Lost has a thing for drowning people well, and the fact that Sun and Jin would go the way of Charlie did get me in the solar plexus. As Ryan on The Transmission often says, “It got a little dusty in the living room.”

    I do hope Lapidus is not dead if only because it would be so transparent to kill him just after the writers decided they couldn’t use the plane any longer. And I admire Jeff Fahey’s performance, how he came into an ensemble cast very late and found his own way to play with—and off of—his more-famous co-stars.

    Jorge Garcia’s tears. Enough said.

    As to originalray’s question, I think it’s pretty clear that unLocke needs to kill all the candidates in order to leave. They are the cork holding in the evil. I’m now up to page 800 of the 1,200-page The Stand, and again the Lost writers borrow heavily from Stephen King in this battle: unLocke, like Randall Flagg in King’s novel, has some people come to him for not-entirely-wrong reasons. They feel, like Claire, as though they have been forsaken—and indeed once again, Claire was left behind last night. The principles—Mother Abagail and Jacob; Randall Flagg and unLocke—are simple representations of good and evil. It is their followers *choices* that are the point.

  • vlady37

    One of the best episodes of the show ever, and I think it gave a huge amount of insight into the entire sixth season, if not the show as a whole.

    It’s easy to overlook the most pivotal moment of the night because of the other intense things that happened during the episode (ie Jin/Sun’s deaths), but the moment where Jack finally understood the MIB’s motivation was entirely game-changing.

    It’s obvious by now that MIB cannot simply kill any of the candidates; if it were that simple he had ample opportunity on the island. Rather, he orchestrates situations in the hope that the candidates (and other castaways) turn on and kill each other.

    The sinking of the sub and and the subsequent deaths of Sayid, Lapidus (?), Jin, and Sun were direct consequences of the castaways’ actions, NOT the MIB’s. It’s so important to remember this because it shows that regardless of Jacob’s and the MIB’s manipulations, the castaways ultimately have free will and control their own destinies.

    Sun and Lapidus died because Sawyer chose to not trust Jack. Jin died because he chose to stay with his wife. Sayid died because he chose to sacrifice himself in the hope that his friends would escape. It all goes back to what Jacob revealed in Ab Aeterno–”I wanted them to help themselves. To know the difference between right and wrong without me telling them. It’s all useless if I have to make them do anything.”

    The MIB hopes that his lies and manipulations will turn them all against each other, but I think that in the end, the relationships between the characters will be too strong for the MIB to break.

  • khrynna

    Yes, that commercial was national. It completely ruined the moment.

  • Frugal Gal

    Here’s the transcript of what happens right after Sayid says that the dead Widmore airplane guard has had his neck broken:
    —–
    LOCKE: That’s because I broke it. If it’s any consolation, Widmore knew that I would kill these men.

    SAWYER: What are you talkin’ about?

    LOCKE: They were only guarding the plane for show. If Charles had really wanted to keep me from actually getting on board he wouldn’t have moved his little fences.

    HURLEY: Well… wait, now he wants us to leave the island?

    LOCKE: No, Hugo. He wants to get us all in the same place at the same time… a nice confined space we have no hope of getting out of… and then he wants to kill us.

    SAWYER: Kill us with what?

    LOCKE: With this.

    [Locke removes an object from his bag]

    LOCKE: Four bricks of C4. I found them in one of the overheard compartments, wired to the electrical system of the plane. If we would’ve turned it on… boom.

    JIN: So what now?

    LOCKE: We can’t be sure he didn’t put more explosives on the plane. It’s not safe. If we’re gonna leave the island, I think we have to take the submarine.
    —–
    Now, I know it’s kind of stretching, but I really don’t think MIB made a CLEAR accusation against Widmore here. It’s implied, but not outright.

    MIB can’t lie to the castaways. If Widmore DID put the C-4 there to kill castaways, then it makes no sense at all. He’s had plenty of opportunity to kill them and he hasn’t done it — and he really seems like an enemy of MIB. I think he knows that at least some of them have to stay alive to keep MIB contained. If Widmore DIDN’T put the C-4 there and MIB DID, then he wouldn’t be able to lie about that — so, is a questionable use of pronouns a lie?

    Or, what if MIB knew the C-4 was there but didn’t know who put it there (like, maybe it was Alpert, Miles, and Ben). If he implies Widmore did it, is it still a lie, if he’s not sure?

    My point is this — I don’t think Widmore was the one trying to blow up the plane, and I think MIB knew full-well that the explosives were in there, a fact he decided to take full advantage of. He didn’t even look for other explosives on the plane, he went straight for the sub.

    As far as the significance of getting him wet — maybe he can’t transform into the black smoke when he’s wet, and that’s why he had to use a gun against Widmore’s men at the sub?

  • elkaba

    Great episode… On Sun and Jin, if daughter is with Sun’s parents (both), I thought the look they shared without words said that Jin probably will not get a chance to see her if Sun’s dad has his way. On Sayid, he may be dead, but his story isn’t. His exit and backstory will feature heavily again soon.

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  • Dave

    I’m another who believes Smokey can’t lie to Candidates. In this exchange, I think that he can get away with it when he says “we.” He’s not lying, because Widmore wants to kill Smokey and any non-candidates.
    `
    Now, the line I have trouble with is Smokey telling Jack he could kill him any time. Maybe he means in a purely physical sense, just not mentioning that he’s bound not to. *shrug*

  • muffinjunky

    8.3 Throughout the LOST journey, Kate has been the “catalyst” or glue between Jack and Sawyer. Jack and Sawyer have come together throughout the series mostly because of Kate. Looking back a few episodes, especially during the episodes of the Cages when Ben Linus and his group had Sawyer and Kate in the cages and Jack on Hydra island in the sub, Linus knew that he could manipulate BOTH Jack and James by way of Kate. Linus knew he needed Spine surgery and knew he needed “leverage”. Ben knew the way to get both Jack and James to do what he wanted was because of how they BOTH felt about Kate.

    You also saw this on this current episode where Whitmore knew he could get James to cooperate and go inside the cage (once again) by “threatening” to shoot Kate.

    As much as of some of us don’t like Evangeline Lilly’s characher Kate, the role is very important and vital to the show because both Jack and James share an affection for her and would otherwise not come together if it were not for her. Also, they would not be so easily manipulated.

    I think you will see this role necessary-as long as- there’s a need for Jack and James to work together, there will be a need for Evangeline Lilly’s character.

  • dholton

    An observation and a question:

    When it came back to Smocke and Claire on the dock, and he said the sub had sunk, I had this wild flash that when the camera pulled back we were going to see that he was speaking to Widmore. Surprise! They’re in cahoots!

    Question: Is anyone else wondering if Claire is going to be the Gollum of Lost? The crazy, mistreated soul without whose inadvertant help victory would not be obtained?

  • uouhke

    Something that occurred to me regarding the attack on the sub and the lightly guarded plane…

    How do we know those were Widmore’s people? They could’ve been Smokey’s converts from the temple that survived the mortar attack. Didn’t Sawyer say that some of them scattered into the jungle afterward? I’m sure they’re still under Smokey’s control. And the two defenders of the plane and the attackers at the sub seemed sufficiently “ambiguous” as to be interchangeable extras between the two armies.

    Maybe Smokey had already cleaned house on Widmore’s group at the plane and sub prior to the prison break from the polar bear cages.

    The plane scenario then could have been staged by Smokey with his own converts. He also could have explicitly made one of them “snipe” and wound Kate, forcing Jack onto the submarine, having his other converts intentionally miss everyone else.

  • dwhitcomb

    I still think that Locke did not blow up the sub in season 3 but hid it. I think it’s still on the island waiting to be used. Remember, Locke was wet when he came back onto the dock and the Lost blogosphere wondered why. It’s one of those things that hasn’t been relevant for years but I’m betting the Cuselof have a few of those tricks saved up to pay off in the waning moments of the series.

  • Frugal Gal

    Yeah, I wondered about that, too. It has to mean in the physical sense — and he COULD kill them any time he wanted to, if he were ALLOWED to.
    *
    I don’t know if leaving the second part of the idea out of the sentence makes it a lie — I think the whole Jacob/MIB thing is going to have a lot of fuzzy morality.

  • chassheld4

    Where are Richard and Ben and what are they up to?

  • deedee12

    I don’t see a comparison with Titanic. Instead, I see the parallels between the deaths of Sun & Jin with Charlie’s and the death of Sayid with Michael’s.

    In addition, the characters of Sun & Jin are one unit, therefore one candidate. That is why I believe only one Kwon was on the wall. Remember Jacob touched each of them simultaneously at their wedding. I also don’t believe that Jin could live with himself if he was parted from Sun one more time. The last image of his wife would be her facing death alone. That is a huge cross to bear.

  • keidan

    My Guess 2 THEND1+2: On land, jack’ll try 2 fix Locke back – On the island SmokyLocke’ll try 2 fly the plane

  • forest39

    All I wanted was for Sun and Jin to reunite so my happiness was very short lived. Next time you are with the writers or producers can you float the idea of a Sawyer/Miles cop show spin-off? Many of my Lost friends would definetly tune in! :)

  • troubledone

    This seems fairly obvious to me, but haven’t seen anyone else mention it. The last we saw Richard he was off to the DI baracks to snag some explosives in order to blow up the airplane. So, obviously Richard, Ben and Miles placed the C4 on the plane. But, why did they wire it to blow up only when the plane is started?

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