Lost Watch: A Little Less Conversation, Please

Wow you posted this quickly, but I suppose that’s because you don’t have to do Idol Watch too…

Anyways! I’m a casual fan, I mean I watch every ep and I read recaps and stuff, but I don’t get all the deeper stuff. I just thought it’s cool how everyone in the flash-sideways is becoming more connected.

Best part was when Sun and Jin finally got back together. I think even Sawyer was emotional.

I think Desmond is still alive. You can’t kill him off!

I hate Zoe. I hope she blows up like Ilyana.

I don’t really see how the episode was ‘weak’ but I’m just a casual fan. At least they moved the plot forward!

I can’t believe we only have 4 episodes left. :S

I personally loved the episode. Yes, it was a moving-the-pieces episode, but everything was done so well that I just felt enthralled the whole time. Favorite moments were the Claire/Kate scene and the Jack/Sawyer stand-off. I’m kind of surprised that the Jin/Sun reunion wasn’t the most emotional part of the episode, but I did yell “Finally!” at the TV when Jin appeared.

I thought it was a little weak. The first 10 minutes weren’t bad, but then the rest just kind of happened. I’m also a little disappointed that Jack and Sawyer couldn’t be friends for even 10 minutes. I’ve always loved Sawyer, and Jack has won me over this season after giving up on him around season 3. So it’s a little sad that they are apparently going to be on opposite sides. Or not, I guess we’ll see.

Personally I believed unLocke about the Sheppard thing. I think it’s too late in the game for that kind of ruse. There are only so many episodes left, it would be cheap to undo something at this point.

“Chesty” and “You look great” both killed. Great lines. Jin and Sun wasn’t as amazing as it could have been, but I did like that they were on opposite sides of the unLocke-electro-fence as they hugged.

“The first 10 minutes weren’t bad, but then the rest just kind of happened.”
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This has been my response to just about the entire season. Spots of greatness here and there (usually involving Desmond), but the whole season has been setup for the finale. I think, aside from Happily Ever After, I’ve reacted to every episode with, “I think I (dis)liked it, but we’ll see when the season is over.”
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Not that I’m complaining too much. While it’s frustrating to have a show where we’re used to really loving individual episodes, the showrunners have earned the right to finish the show how they think it should be finished. I really hope I’m not so ambivalent after the finale, but for now, that’s just how the show it.

I thought Sun was going to get zapped by that fence.

For the first time ever in my entire life, I am on Jack’s side. It doesn’t feel quite right. But he’s right — they are on the island for a purpose, and if Smokey wants them all to be leaving, then they probably shouldn’t all be leaving.

Despite some big stuff happening, this is the first episode this year that I felt was really flat for some reason. The Sun and Jin reunion didn’t really deliver for me. Considering that this is a show that can make people cry about once a year with a Desmond/Penny scene, I was oddly unmoved.
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For the first time, I was really more interested in the sideways world than the island stuff because that seemed to be where things were coming together while the island just seemed like another episode of getting people in place for the finale.

It’s pretty obvious that Locke always was a sucker. He was like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. I’ve lost count of the times he got used and manipulated. Hell, he died being played for a sap by Ben.

Oh, and I’ve harped here before about this, but I know that everyone keeps referencing The Stand as an influence (and I agree), I also see a lot of King’s The Dark Tower series in here. The whole parallel worlds and time travel stuff along with a ‘man in black’ and a small group on a quest to save everything is very DT. Plus, I think Darlton are supposed to be adapting DT somehow after they’re done with Lost so there’s another connection.

One theory that I have that I haven’t seen touted too much elsewhere: Smokey can’t lie when directly confronted by a Candidate. Have we seen him lie to the Candidates outside of making large speeches to the whole group? I wanted Jack or someone to call out when he was lying about Widmore, “Well, DID we take something of his?”
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I also agree that Sayid and Claire are not as lost as some folks think. I think when Jack becomes Jacob, he’ll be able to cure them and let them leave.
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I’m surprised at just how much I like seeing the Jack/Locke roles reversed. Now Terry O’Quinn is playing the staunchly unfaithful Smokey, while Matthew Fox gets to play a much less stubborn (and, to me, much wiser) Jack. I was practically yelling at the TV for Jack to jump off the boat, because that’s exactly what Locke would have done.
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It’s funny… for years I held that there was absolutely nothing special about Locke. For all his faith and all his destiny, the only special thing about him was that the Island healed him, and that was the Island being special, not Locke. Now that Smokey is calling Locke out for not being special, I’m wanting to see some Locke redemption in the end. We’ll see, though, I guess.

“For the first time ever in my entire life, I am on Jack’s side.”

I like how you put this. For so many seasons, Jack has been stubborn and frustrating and downright stupid at times, yet now I feel completely sucked into him and completely on his side.

Dave, me too. I haven’t listened to any of the Darlton podcasts, but is that really how Locke is going to go out — as a sucker? He definitely needs some redemption, and Smokey needs to be wrong about him. Really, Smokey has been manipulating poor Locke ever since he got to the island so that he could eventually use his body and find his “loophole” to kill Jacob. Locke’s role definitely needs to be redeemed.

Am I the only one who was wondering how the heck Hurley was able to swim from the boat to the beach?

I bet he started with a cannonball.

Am I the only one who thought runover-altline Locke’s line was weird? his “I was going to marry her” made me wonder whether he is now aware of the original timeline when he was abandoned by her loved one.

I was expecting more a relationship between altBen and altLocke… and then I remembered that it’s only been an afternoon or so in the alt-timeline.

Where’s WAAAAAAAAAAALT?

If UnLocke really did act as Christian Shepherd, how could he have appeared on the freighter to Michael? UnLocke said he couldn’t go across water like that at some point, that he was trapped on the island.

And what about when he appeared to Jack in the hospital after he got off the island?

Could it be that the shape of Christian was being used by BOTH UnLocke and Jacob?

I also noticed that Sun and Jin were on different sides of the “electric fence,” which worries the hell out of me. I saw it as an omen — in island reality, they aren’t going to be together.

Finally, the whole “once you let him talk to you, you’re with him” thing. I don’t think that’s 100%. If it were, there would be no way Claire would have gotten on that boat. Maybe UnLocke has the ability to subvert a person’s free will, but I don’t think he can completely control it. That gives me hope for both Island Claire and Island Sayid.

I didn’t think about Richard and his crew when i saw the episode but now that you mentioned it.
Could Richard allready have made his way over to the other island and met up with Widmore? hence the cold welcome for Saywer and his group.

I watch Lost faithfully but am too lazy to properly catalog all the show’s details in my mind; therefore, I’m sure there are plenty of reasons to explain why the following thought can’t be true. That said …

Is it possible that the identity of the mother of David (alt-Jack’s son) is just a red herring? Could David himself be the character to watch in that subplot? Specifically, I’m wondering if David isn’t Smokey, hiding in plain sight as he keeps track of the progress of this flash-sideways timeline.

But this is obviously off-base, right?

well, if it isn’t clear by now, but lots and lots of losties are gonna die really soon. can’t have that man “chosen” ones still living. my guess is that kate is the chosen one.

“The first 10 minutes weren’t bad, but then the rest just kind of happened.”
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“This has been my response to just about the entire season.”

So do the site a HUGE favor and just go away. Your weekly list of responses to every single comment no matter how minor is a joke. Get a life and stop stinking up the comments from people who enjoy a nice little bit of fiction every week.

I had the same reaction when I heard him say that. I definitely think there was something going on with that statement.

@jimfromla: That’s low, dude. I always like hearing what Dave has to say even if I don’t always agree. He’s respectful and friendly and has interesting ideas, and there is no reason to be rude like that.

@Dave – I definitely agree that Sayid and Claire can potentially be saved. That moment with Kate and Claire, and that moment with Sayid and Desmond, both indicated to me that they’ve both been clouded, but they’re still in there somewhere. And I am gonna be really disappointed if there is no further redemption for Real Locke, as he was an awesome and interesting character. I’m definitely still holding out some hope that his faith will be rewarded. And I was yelling for Jack to jump too – me and Mr. Shara Says were hoping Kate would jump ship too, I was a little disappointed that she didn’t.

I continue to believe that it’s the Island that’s conjuring up these ghosts and not Smokey or Jacob. So, Smokey was lying. I think you have to take Jack’s line “the Island isn’t done with us” literally. The Island is not just a piece of land with odd electromagnetic properties. It’s actually a force that has to be dealt with. It wouldn’t let Michael die, it healed Locke, etc.

I think we know Locke to be special. It’s people like Ben that aren’t special. Whatever was in that cabin wouldn’t talk to Ben, but would talk to Locke. And as ignominious as Locke’s death was, he brought everyone back to the Island, didn’t he? Plus, Locke was(is?) a candidate.

I don’t know what I’m going to do without LOST. Actually, I wonder what the CAST is going to do without LOST. Funny predictions for post-LOST careers here – http://bit.ly/cYOiyd

Agreed. Normally I just roll my eyes when Jack wants to be a cowboy. But this time I was totally cheering him on. I think that by stepping back and being objective, Jack is finally seeing the big picture that Sawyer is now missing.

I’m still remembering UnLocke’s outburst of “Don’t tell me what I can and can’t do” a few episodes ago (I can’t remember which one). I’ll echo what some folks were saying then – it really did sound like there were some remnants of Locke’s personality in UnLocke, and I’m hoping that the Locke Remnants will bring about either the downfall or the salvation (depending on how we come to understand the different sides of this epic chess game) for UnLocke.

I’m so upset this show is ending! It’s been getting better with each episode inching to the finale. The first part of the season – well questionable, but recently? It’s been solid. Can not wait until 5/23!
http://thesmogger.com/2010/04/21/band-of-misfits-where-will-the-lost-cast-end-up-once-the-curtain-closes/

Will this be my shortest comment ever?

I loved the one second shot of the Others Teddy Bear. And all shows need minor characters named Shaw (Chuck messed up the perfect first name though…).

Other than that, I couldn’t remember any of this episode once it was over. Heck, I spent the episode itself imagining more interesting storylines. (Claire follows Frank down into the galley and knocks him out with a can of vegetables! Sun & Jin run into the sonic fence and get vaporized! The Others, after being the major danger for at least 3 seasons, don’t simply turn into the new Red Shirts!)

Ouch, Jim, where’s the love?
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In all seriousness, if I’ve ever given the impression I don’t absolutely love this show, I’m sorry. I thought that following the show to the level of obsession to which some of us go let our love for the show go without saying. Maybe I should qualify my statements of ambivalence with something along the lines of, “I still love the show, but this was another ‘towards the end of a long movie’ episode.” :)

Replying to my own comment because something is bugging me. It seemed REALLY important to Smokey that Locke die and his corpse come back to the island. Why is that? It’s not like he used the ACTUAL body, they buried it.

If a corpse is required for Smokey to “impersonate” someone, how was he able to appear as Christian? His corpse is missing in BOTH realities. And how could he have appeared as Richard’s wife Isabella (on the Black Rock) or Ben’s mom (in the woods to young Ben)? Their bodies weren’t on the island. And, at least in Isabella’s case, it wasn’t just an image of a dead person, Smokey Isabella was corporeal — he/she touched Richard.

Why was Locke’s body necessary — it’s been bugging me all day. Whatever the reason, I think it will be key to defeating him.

I wonder if Sideways Locke will die and his consciousness will be able to transfer into his UnLocke body, and the “final battle” will be between Locke and Smokey for control of that body — the loser ending up in one of John Locke’s very dead-and-buried corpses.

I heard that line and understood it as Sideways Locke’s feeling that because of the accident he now will not be able marry Helen — like, he’s thinking he’s going to die and won’t get the chance to spend the rest of his life with her. I thought it was quite sad.

There was a show called Lost?