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Lostwatch: The Cluckiest Man Alive

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LOST - "Everybody Loves Hugo" - Hurley agonizes over what the group should do next, and Locke is curious about the new arrival to his camp, on "Lost," TUESDAY, APRIL 13 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) CYNTHIA WATROS, JORGE GARCIA

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, get your self a big bowl of homemade tortilla chips and watch last night’s Lost.

The flash-sideways of each Lost character we’ve seen so far have shown us changed people: Sawyer as a cop, Ben as a morally driven teacher, and so on. Hurley was the last Candidate we had yet to see in a flash-sideways, but his alt-universe story showed us something else too: a much-changed Hurley on the Island.

As we’d seen hinted at earlier, alt-Hugo is a wealthy, lucky man, with a good life, a successful business and the admiration of others. (Including Marvin Candle, shown giving his testimony at a humanitarian ceremony.) But Island-Hugo has got something that he didn’t have at the outset of his story either: confidence. So as much as “Everybody Loves Hugo” advanced the story (showing us, for instance, Desmond on a mission to open his Oceanic 815 buddies’ eyes—except for Locke, who eyes he aims may aim to close permanently) and provided answers (The Whispers, we learn, are souls “stuck on the Island”), it was also just a pleasure to see the new, improved, badass Hurley. (Update: as noted in the comments, I shouldn’t take anything for granted about Desmond’s motives re: Locke.)

Unlike the mind-blowing “Happily Ever After” last week, this was much more of a continuing-to-move-the-pieces episode. But it did provide a sweet bookend to one of my favorite relationships on the show, Hurley’s nipped-in-the-bud romance with Libby (Cynthia Watros).

Seeing them have their picnic on the beach at last, and watching Hurley’s memories come flooding back, was enough to make me buy the potentially-corny “love is the answer” theme that seems to be emerging in the alt-timeline. Like some other storylines on the show—Walt!—Libby’s seemed to be cut short too soon, and her return and Michael’s gives me hope that Lost will manage to tie up some of these loose ends in the final episodes without it seeming forced.

Beyond that, this seems to be an episode better suited to the hail-of-bullets treatment, so in honor of the return of Michael and Libby, let me load and fire:

* So with the revelation of what the Whispers are, we return to one of the earliest theories of Lost. The Island actually is a kind of Purgatory, if not Hell: it’s just not one for the still-living characters that we’re following. This still raises the question of why, if only Hurley can speak with the Island’s ghosts, others can hear the Whispers—but it must be that, to those who lack his sensitivity, they just manifest as unintelligible whispering.

* Desmond’s hit-and-run on Locke suggests an explanation for why he seemed so beatific and calm when Sayid intercepted him: he has consciousness of his existence both in the Island and the alt-universe, and has agency in both, which means he’s unafraid. I’m still not sure why it benefits anyone to run down the alt-Locke—who presumably is not an evil smoke monster—but it looks like Des has a plan, and that plan needs to be executed in both of the universes we’ve been watching.

* Have we discussed Mysterious Ghost Island Boy? Because there’s Mysterious Ghost Island Boy again, this time older but just as capable of agitating Smokey. The floor is open to your theories. Some avatar of Jacob? (Doesn’t make sense, right? Why then would Jacob also appear to Hurley as an adult?) Aaron? Or could it a vision of Smokey himself, from a time earlier in the formation of his mysterious mommy issues?

* $100,000. We now know how much it costs to walk into a mental institution and buy yourself a date with a crazy lady.

* Nice moment when, as the various members of the Lost tribe were reunited at Locke’s camp, we see Sun searching the faces for Jin.

* Before pushing Desmond into the well (and we all know that if a character on Lost falls into a well and does not set off an H-bomb they’re not dead, so relax), Smokey says that Widmore is only interested in power, not answers. Might he be right? This is, after all, close to what Ben (and thus presumably Richard) thought of Widmore in the past. Could it be that Widmore is an enemy of both Smokey and Jacob?

* Fans of Freaks and Geeks might have noticed Samm Levine as the counter guy serving up the chicken bucket—and calling out “order 42″—at Mr. Cluck’s.

* It must be said: we get a Hurley flash-sideways and no Cheech Marin?

* And finally, farewell, Ilana. I can’t say I’ll miss you deeply, but at least you got to go out Arzt-style.

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  • evizle

    I can’t get over the fact that everyone saw Locke throwing Desmond down the well coming and nobody saw Ilana turning into bits coming.

  • Dave

    It was called out in my viewing party, so we all shared in some fun Arzt humor.

  • Dave

    I’m cursing myself for not paying closer attention when Chang was on the podium. Did he have full use of both hands?
    `
    Great episode. So much good stuff, and even a few helpful hints.

  • http://slideshowpro.net/ Todd Dominey

    I don’t believe that Desmond was trying to “close Locke’s eyes permanently”, despite appearances. He’s attempting to play matchmaker (again) by forcing Locke and Jack together. Locke will have spinal complications from the accident with Desmond, Jack will be called in, and there will be some kind of communication / interaction between the two that reveals their alternate relationship on the island.

  • mimsysnark

    “I’m still not sure why it benefits anyone to run down the alt-Locke—who presumably is not an evil smoke monster—but it looks like Des has a plan, and that plan needs to be executed in both of the universes we’ve been watching.” I assumed that Desmond did that for the same reason Charlie crashed the car into the water with him earlier–to spark one of those near-death experiences that opened his eyes to the alt-universe. After all, we saw that it was Desmond’s prompting that got Hurley to see Libby again, and thus have his own “awakening”, so I figured that Desmond has to do that for all the other 815′ers, by whatever means necessary.

  • bacchus78

    You took the words out of my mouth, I was just thinking about Des giving Locke a near-death experience to awaken him to the reality of the island.

  • Rorschach

    Totes. And like mimsysnark and bacchus78 are saying below it also gives him a near-death-experience.

    What’s interesting to think about though is how Desmond is so sure this will work. Getting Hurley and Libby together, sure, he’s reuniting people based on his knowledge on the Island. But to have confidence that striking Locke with a car not only won’t kill him, but will get him to Jack… He HAS to have some sort of extra knowledge beyond what he saw on the Island, or he wouldn’t risk killing him. Either he knows both futures, or he is being guided by someone.

  • Dave

    I don’t think it was necessarily that it had to be a near-death experience, but it had to be something that relates to something they experienced in the other world. Charlie died and was brought back by Jack. Desmond watched Charlie drown. Hurley kissed Libby. Locke, bloodied, laying on his back, looked up and was able to wiggle his toes and walk. I’m not saying alt-Locke will be able to walk, but the trauma of the event is going to spark his memory.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Entirely possible, and I’ve seen that theory floated. But if so, what a rip-off for Locke! He gets run over a car, and all Hurley gets is a chat about women over a bucket of chicken? Talk about being the luckiest man alive.

  • Dave

    Would Des have any reason to know what happened to Locke after the crash? Might we just get some retconned memory of Locke telling Des about what happened when he could walk? It seems like a conversation the two of them would have had.

  • Rorschach

    Did anyone else feel that some of this episode was a little heavy handed? Jack actually said “I feel the need to fix things so this was hard to not fix things, I’m a changed man! I’m not a man of science anymore, but instead a man of faith!” He didn’t actually say all of that but it was pretty close. I really liked this episode, but that part and “Hey, the whispers are really ghosts, so you can check that off the list” part seemed pretty clumsy to me.

  • texgator

    I don’t care how many times Lost blows up minor characters with Black Rock Dynamite (new indie band name?) it never gets old and never fails to surprise me with its suddeness and finality. Could it be that Illiana and Arzt are soul mates and this was the island’s way of bringing them together (by blowing them apart)?

  • Dave

    Ok, I double-checked Hulu, and Chang definitely has two healthy hands. So that confirms changes pre-bomb, unless they pull the “Oh, the Island healed his hand” trick. If we have changes pre-bomb, we have less reason to believe Eloise Widmore has Faraday’s journal. That’s sad.

  • texgator

    My theory (subject to change next week) is that the island reality and the sideways reality are not two separate “fully functioning” realities but instead are one reality that was blown into two pieces by Juliet’s detonation of Jughead. Desmond realizes that his mission is to fuse these two partial realities back into one reality thus restoring order to the universe. The question now is what will the remerged, post-Jughead reality look like: Island world or sideways?

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    I did kind of think that when Hurley said “The Whispers are people stuck on the Island,” there should have been a little cha-ching! sound, then a pop-up graphic on screen reading, ANSWER!!!

  • Dave

    So what do you think the criteria for moving on are? Michael couldn’t move on, but Libby could. Is it just a good person/bad person thing? But Jacob apparently didn’t move on either. Since Jacob is Jacob, can he intentionally stay put till his work is complete? It sounded like Michael knew he’d be there for good.

    And also, does that make the Island pergatory/hell for Island folk who died, or everyone? Or just people connected to Island folk (like the not-Sawyer that Sawyer killed)? Or am I putting too much stock in the whisper transcripts?

  • beerbaron

    I hope I wasn’t the only one cool and smart enough to catch the Seinfeld and Springsteen references.

  • Kemper

    I’m glad you checked that. I was going to say that the fact that Chang didn’t look at Hurley and say, “Hey, didn’t I meet you on an island back in the ’70s?” was proof that the alt-timeline has a slightly different history due to no one ever going back in time.

  • treepeony

    I agree. Illana’s death was so shocking and sudden but the minute that well came into the shot I was yelling at the screen, “DON’T GO NEAR IT DESMOND! He’s Gonna throw you in it!”
    .
    I mean seriously? How did Desmond NOT see that coming? I would have loved to see Demond elbow SmokeLocke in the face and shove him into the Well of Doom.
    .
    Unless this is all a part of Desmond’s Plan.

  • Kemper

    I’m starting to wonder if Jacob wasn’t kind of like Desmond. A guy who is seeing different timelines/dimensions and using his knowledge to move people where he thinks they need to be. Des’s mission and his visit to Hurley and mowing down Locke reminded me a bit of the Jacob visits to the Losties. (Granted, Jacob just waited for Locke to get tossed out a window, but maybe Des had to help things along.) But Des isn’t a candidate. Hmm..

  • archstanton68

    I’m not a Springsteen fan, but the Human Fund made me laugh. that’s just the most perfect charity name ever.
    .
    The Human Fund: Money. For people.

  • Dave

    “Unless this is all a part of Desmond’s Plan.”
    `
    This is how I took it :)

  • treepeony

    Well Michael did kind of kill somebody and if we’re following the idea that Purgatory is a place to wait while your sins are purged before you go to Heaven/Elysium/The Afterlife/Etc then it makes sense that Hurley wouldn’t see Libby. Assuming for a minute that whispers are comprised of ONLY the souls of those who have committed great sins on the island then Libby wouldn’t likely be there.
    .
    I mean unless she secretly killed somebody off camera that we’ve never met before.
    .
    Another note to point out, when Richard’s wife came back from wherever it was that she went to post-mortum, we didn’t hear any whispers as far as I remember. (Please feel free to check y’all.) So if that’s the case then that, in my mind anyway, would support the theory that the Whispers are bad people that the Island won’t let go.

  • treepeony

    “But Des isn’t a candidate. Hmm..”
    .
    Ah but he IS special. So I guess the next question is, what is ‘special’ in relationship to the Island (as opposed to the EM Spectrum) and does Desmond’s ‘specialness’ help or hinder the Losties? Also, is ‘special’ more, less or equally important than being a Candidate?

  • Rorschach

    I don’t know that Island Desmond even HAS a plan. He claims to not even know that Locke wasn’t Locke. If you believe that then I don’t know why he should have assumed he’d get tossed in a well. That seems a little paranoid, right? Either Desmond was lying, and it was part of his plan, or he just knows that he’s going to help things out and the Island will use him correctly. I think it’s the latter. He didn’t care that Sayid kidnapped him, he just assumes it’s for the best. Things are going to work out the way they are supposed to.

    Now, Alterna-Desmond definitely is aware of things and has a plan.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    In terms of the souls on the island, the show seems to be going with the idea that souls are electromagnetic energy, which would explain why they are stuck on the island. What it doesn’t explain is why Libby isn’t there and Charlie could visit Hurley while he was off island. I hope the answer isn’t just some “the island was done with them” kind of thing. At this point, I’m still rooting for the characters to break free of the “all powerful island” and the Jacob/Smokey games to forge their own destinies going forward. That would be a satisfying ending to me, not some simple playing out of Job motifs.

    Most of my theories are holding at this point, but I have no idea what is going to be happening, plot-wise.

  • Dave

    Maybe “plan” wasn’t the best word. Last week, I related Desmond to Harry Potter after he drank the “liquid luck” potion in the 6th book. For those not familiar with the reference: Harry drinks this liquid luck potion and is overcome with a feeling of optimism and a sense of what the right thing to do is. He has a couple objectives, and the urging of his now-lucky instincts seems to take him in completely the opposite direction of completing those objectives, yet he’s supremely confident that it’s the right thing to do.
    `
    I don’t think Desmond knows all the details (or any of them), but I think he’s supremely confident that things are happening how they should, and he’ll step in when he needs to.

  • Kemper

    I forgot one of my favorite things about last night’s episode. Two weeks after the V clock fiasco, ABC marketing redeemed itself with the previews for next week’s episode by using the audio clip of Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka singing during the creepy-as-hell-boat-ride song during Charlie & The Chocalate Factory. Nice!

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    Is it just me, or does everyone seem to get around the island much quicker these days?

  • Tom Shaw

    One of the weaker episodes of the season; then again, setting-up-the-next-chapter episodes usually are.

    Personally, I view alt-Desmond’s actions as a full on hit. He wants to give the alt-Losties their memories back… but he doesn’t want Esau “leaking” into alt-Locke.

    Ghost kid is clearly younger Jacob, they cast a kid that looks just like him. Esau knew Jacob when Jacob was that age (which again blows out the father/son idea, ah well), which is why Jacob appears to Esau like that; Hurley, etc. wouldn’t recognize him at that age. We could ask about the bloodstains young Jacob had the first time (don’t remember seeing them last night though) – did Esau’s crazy mother kill someone, and Jacob found the body?

    Chang definitely had two functioning arms. I have no idea when the divergence point was, if ever.

    Again, if we go with the “scripted Survivor” concept, the Whisperers being the ousted “contestants” isn’t much of a surprise. The question being, how do they help determine the “winner”?

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    I’ve thought about this too. Des is not a Candidate. But Widmore says he will ask him to make a huge sacrifice. For Desmond, staying on the Island as its protector would be a greater sacrifice even than dying. I would blubber like a baby if that were to happen, though.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    Last night was one of those episodes that truly made me sorry this series is ending. While this season has had its ups and downs (and hasn’t been as consistent as their best), it does make me sad I won’t have this hour to look forward to each week. In a strange way, I’m starting to feel like I’m getting a bit of closure…
    http://thesmogger.com/2010/04/06/has-lost-found-its-footing/

  • leto3

    Does anyone think that it is weird that the “flashsideways” aren’t really flashsideways, but sideways and back. This really bothers me, because if it really is supposed to be a parallel universe, then there is no way that the characters should be able to have the memories of events that are happening in the “present” island time when they make their “realizations”. This either reflects a conscious decision by the writers and would put more credence on the epilogue or matrix theories (as then they are just accessing repressed memories or something) or it reflects a HUGE plot contrivance.

    Also does it make me a bad person that I laughed out loud for like five minutes after Ilana blew up, for the shear ridiculousness of pulling that trick again.

  • denisemorris

    I agree that the whispers thing seemed a little anticlimactic, but, on the other hand, it must be hard for the writers to get a win. You either have people constantly complaining that everything is too mysterious and we’re not getting any concrete answers, or you have people complaining that the answers are too straightforward and what we’ve already guessed.

    Personally, I’d rather keep it a bit mysterious. Straight answers like we got last night with the whispers seem too simple and boring for an awesome show like Lost. I think the ending of the show will have the whole “mystery” vibe, which I’ll like, but I’m sure gazillions of others (especially those who aren’t as hardcore as us) will complain about.

  • ipfletch

    All of my theories have already been kicked around above, so I’ll just say this regarding Illyana: best (and most abrupt) character exit since Rosalind Shays fell down the elevator shaft. :)

  • denisemorris

    Yeah, it would be so sad if Desmond had to be the one to stay behind on the island. The perfect scenario would be Locke becoming the new Jacob. He loves that island more than Hurley loves ranch dressing, so they really need to figure out a way to resurrect Locke and let him become the new Jacob. That would be his favorite job EVER.

    Maybe 2004 Locke will be able to enter the island timeline and take over. Or maybe dead Locke will somehow break through Smokey — we’ve seen glimpses of real Locke in Smokey already this season…

  • denisemorris

    I’m going with the theory that the whispers only have to do with “bad” people who are stuck on the island. Other dead people we’ve seen referenced (Charlie, Mr. Ecko, Libby, Richard’s wife, Jacob, etc.) can come and go on the island or the mainland to “help” at anytime. They can appear on the island, but they’re not stuck there.

    The sad thing is that Michael came back on the freighter to atone for his sin, but apparently it wasn’t enough if he’s still stuck there.

    Also, my paragraph breaks don’t seem to be working. Sorry!!

  • denisemorris

    Remember a couple of episodes back when MIB told Richard that Jacob “stole his body”? When did that happen? Could child “Jacob” actually be a child version of MIB??

  • thalasseri

    In the repeat-the-obvious category:

    Desmond was the first Lostie to accept Smokey-Locke’s oft-outstretched help-you-up hand of “friendship” -
    and although that friendly act did get him thrown into a well, it did highlight his confidence and lack of fear.

    I’m going with Des knowing full well who Smokey really is – and maybe there’s a meta statement that although Smokey inhabits Locke’s body, Locke is going to be making a miraculous comeback at some point or in some timeline).

    Was the appearance of the boy supposed to be a reminder to Locke not to kill Des? (ok, push him into a well if you must, but thou shalt not kill a candidate or any electromagnetically-outstanding Scotsmen).

    At one point in the episode, I was wondering whether Michael’s appearance to Hurley was a Smokey-special
    (a la Richard’s wife appearing to Richard in the Black Rock). Jacob’s peeps, Richard and Ilana, are trying to blow up the plane in an admittedly brain-dead messing-with-unstable dynamite manner – it seems only right that Smokey should try and mess with that agenda and have some fun in the process.

    I did like Ilana’s magnificent explosion (talk about going out in style). I’d have figured that Jacob would have wanted to help his protege Ilana have a more dignified exit … but I guess things look different from a godly perspective …

  • http://carpediva.wordpress.com carpediva

    oh thank the Lords of Kobol!

    to me, it seemed so obvious from the point where Hurley warns her it’s unstable, to the casual way she put her water bottle in on top of it, and then practically DROPPED it on the ground…

    after reading other blogs talking about how “shocking” it was i was afraid i was the only one not even remotely surprised when it happened.

    same with Des at the well- dude, Flocke is CIRCLING you- look out!

    btw, as another blog pointed out, if there’s no more to come with that character, than the whole Ilana arc was fairly pointless.

  • Rorschach

    I must have missed that last week, Dave, but that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about. I think we are on the same page.

  • littlepeg08

    First of all, I totally thought that Michael was the Man in Black too! He would definitely want to recruit Hurley and it worked! He has (almost) all the Candidates!

    However, I agree with denisemorris even more. The boy may look like Jacob, but because he’s so young, he’s actually the original Man in Black. Here’s my theory: Jacob and MIB have a symbiotic relationship. One literally cannot live without the other. However, there is a “grace period,” so to speak, after MIB kills Jacob. And it is within that grace period that he must get all of Jacob’s replacements and get off the Island. We are currently in the grace period. But, MIB is dying without Jacob and will die if he stays on the Island. He knows this because HIS LIFE IS FLASHING BEFORE HIS EYES….in the form of creepy jungle kid. Each time we’ve seen him, he gets older. And once we get to the point where it looks like present day Jacob, then MIB’s life-flashing is complete and he better be off the Island or he’s dead.

  • littlepeg08

    While I agree that Desmond could be trying to “show” Sideways Locke the Island life, he could actually be trying to just kill him. Sideways Desmond was running down Sideways Locke immediately after Island Locke threw Island Desmond down a well. What if Sideways Des is not just conscious of the Island, but visa versa? And if it’s instantaneous, then clearly, Sideways Des would have a big reason to try to kill anyone who looks like Locke. Furthermore, what if the well thing was the sacrifice that Widmore talked about? By Island Desmond getting thrown down the well, that alerted Sideways Desmond to kill Sideways Locke because Sideways Locke IS the Smoke Monster. The point of the Sideways world is that MIB DID get off the Island and the big reveal will be when we learn that.

  • treepeony

    “Or maybe dead Locke will somehow break through Smokey — we’ve seen glimpses of real Locke in Smokey already this season…”
    .
    I just had a thought, what if we’re wrong about the mysterious-jacob-looking kid. What if it’s Locke somehow clawing his way back from wherever it is that his soul has gone?
    .
    I know it seems more logical for the jungle kid to Jacob (And I agree that my theory is just something that came to me) but the writers haven’t always gone for the logical/obvious choices on this show.

  • denisemorris

    littlepage08 — VERY interesting!

  • Dave

    Tom, are you saying that Jungle Punk is a resurrected Jacob, or are you saying that’s just another version of Jacob there to referee Smokey? I could see either, but I still like the idea of Jungle Punk being Aaron. He was so mysteriously significant in season 1, and he’s just dropped off the map.

  • muffinjunky

    Does anyone have any theories about Rose & Bernard “on the island”…. where are they and why can’t we see them?

    We see them on the alt/time line. Rose still has her cancer and Bernard was on the plane, however we have yet to see them on the island.

    Additionally,
    Was that Jacob’s ashes that Hugo picked up after Illana died? I can’t recall if Hugo knew that was Jacob’s ashes or if that was the pouch of black/white stones that Jack took out of the cave that one episode back…..

    Any theories……

  • mcnater

    James,

    Art imitates life or the other way around? Check this out, just a crazy new theory!

    http://bit.ly/bGMmgA

    ~Nate

  • agentgoldberg

    Did anyone else think that when Sayid asked to talk to Locke privately, that they were going to start talking about who to vote off at tribal council tonight. Or do I just watch way too much tv.

  • shara says

    As soon as I saw her with all the dynamite together in the bag, I knew it was gonna blow. That was NOT proper Black Rock Dynamite safety. As soon as I saw the well, I knew that Desmond would wind up at the bottom of it. However, both scenes didn’t go down at all how I imagined they would, even though the end result was somewhat predictable.

  • Tom Shaw

    I think Jungle Punk is Jacob’s ghost.

    The question we should be asking is why Jacob chooses to appear at that age. What happened to Jacob & Esau when Jacob was that old, such that appearing as that age has the most effect on Esau?

  • tyrantking

    Right, so I think that Des hit Locke to mess with smokey somehow. Like maybe if souls are able to pass between the worlds, then alt-Locke passing would evict smokey from his body.

  • tyrantking

    Sawyer hasn’t had much to do in a very long time.

  • jeia56

    Safe to say that the majority of my theories from the early parts of the season are not correct. That’s what I love about this show, whenever I think I’ve got it figured out, Cuse and Lindelof proceed to blow my theories to bits.

    Anyone know what the book that Hurley picked up after Illana got blown to kingdom come was?

    When Locke and Jack were having their stare-down, I realized that that was actually the first time they have seen each other since the middle of season 5. I didn’t think it was going to be such a profound moment, but it was for some reason.

    Is there any significant reason why Desmond always says “brotha” or is that just his catchphrase? I’ve wondered about this for awhile.

    I’m still convinced that noone is going to be replacing Jacob. Jacob himself said that “it only ends once.” If someone replaces Jacob, then has anything actually ended?

  • jeia56

    Something I literally just thought of. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the episode end with Locke staring into the eyes of Ben after being run down by Desmond? Maybe looking into Ben’s eyes as his life is slipping away will be what awakens Locke to the island world. Ben did murder him after all. So the point of Desmond’s hit and run was not to get Locke to Jack (although this will probably happen anyway) but to get Locke and Ben together.

  • Rorschach

    I hadn’t even thought of that. That might be a hell of a scene, especially with Locke helpless to act on that knowledge in his condition

  • booma63

    OK, first time commenting – first enjoy all of your thoughts and conjectures. Love your wit and class James.

    My thought on this or rather my husband brought up something interesting..your thoughts are appreciated here – what if while Desmond was getting zapped by the electro machine some how he switched with the Desmond in the sideways time-line. Doesn’t the Desmond in the Sideways seem like he all of a sudden has a mission and a purpose. Almost like he saw a lot more than we are shown and in order to complete this and he slipped into the sideways while leave a more subdued Desmond to get caught and perhaps a distraction for SmokeLocke? Desmond sees the whole puzzle now and knows what has to happen…maybe we will see all happy in the sideways and the other Desmond and SmokeLocke drown on the island as it sinks?

    Just a thought as we all have it seems….things that make you go hmmm…. this show. Love it.

  • macevangelist

    Jack tells Locke »Nothing is irreversible« 87 minutes into LA X. Desmond just made sure that we will revisit that claim…

  • elkaba

    What was in the bag? I think it’s the black and white rock.
    Who’s the kid? Probably Jacob regenerating to the point where he can steal a candidate’s body, much the same as Smokey did with Locke. I think littlepeg08 is correct about there being a time limit for Smokey to get off the island.
    What is Desmond’s sacrifice? That due to his electromagnetic personality, he gets to substitute for the candidate and have the edge necessary to finally tip the scale, neutralize the island and/or defeat Smokey. (Outwit, outlast, outplay)
    Who are the bodies in the cave? Probably Bernard and Rose, but could it also be Charlie and Penny who come to live out their lives with Desmond?

  • greg26

    A little late to the party (had to watch it last night), but it seems no one has mentioned that the well Desmond was tossed down might be some approximation of the Well of Souls. Too obvious?

    “According to pre-Islamic folklore, the well of souls was a place where the voices of the dead could be heard along with the sounds of the Rivers of Paradise; … and the sounds have been argued to be a resonance effect similar to hearing the sea from seashells. The well of souls is sometimes conflated with the guf, a location in Jewish mythology, where the souls of the not-yet-born are stored, though the guf is usually considered to be a more heavenly location than an earth-bound one.”

  • http://pairofmirrors2.wordpress.com pairofmirrors2

    OKAY! THE BOOK! It’s Dostoyevsky’s “Notes from the Underground,” the title is BARELY legible, like I had to squint at it for a whole minute before I read it, and it’s also the Russian version of the book.

    I am also huge proponent of reading into Lost “symbolism” rather than the nitty-gritty details of the storyline. Moreover, the fact that it was Dostoyevsky’s work that appeared made me nearly flip out, I’ve had a theory about Lost constantly referencing Dostoyevsky this whole season. In brief, the Notes from the Underground are about a man – the Underground Man – who is irrationalality manifested, and who holds a downer-type existentialist view of human nature (go wikipedia it right now). Also, it has to be remembered that the Bothers Karamazov, another Dostoyevsky novel, has previously been referenced in an episode.

    I think the Underground Man is one of the myriad of themes that are playing out on the island, and I think the Island is like the battleground/manifestation of human nature. The names of many other characters – Locke, Rousseau, Hume – even Penny’s new last name Milton (of Paradise Lost) – have philosophic connotations with ‘human nature’ and the ‘humans in the state of nature.’

    What I didn’t catch/was too excited by a confirmation of my longstanding theory was why did the book by Dostoyevsky belong to? Was it Illana’s. Then Jacob gave it to her? Is Jacob the Underground Man? Er…….

  • http://pairofmirrors2.wordpress.com pairofmirrors2

    sorry that made no sense…WHO did the book belong to? Illana?

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