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Lostwatch: Would You Believe In a Love at First Sight?

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LOST - "Happily Ever After" - Desmond wakes up to discover he's back on the island, on "Lost," TUESDAY, APRIL 6 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) SONYA WALGER, HENRY IAN CUSICK

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, strap yourself it, hang on to your panic button, and watch last night’s Lost.

You could make a good argument that Desmond Hume is the protagonist of Lost. That, despite the fact that we didn’t meet him until season 2 and he disappears for vast stretches of the action, Lost is about him more than about anybody else.

He’s “special,” as Daniel Faraday once told him. Many of the big revelations about how the universe of Lost works—what was down the Hatch, the funky nature of time on the Island, the notion of the Constant, the themes of predestination vs. change—have been told through him. He, with Penny, arguably has the most compelling emotional story in the series. You look at the episode description for a Lost and think, “All right! It’s a Desmond!”. If not the literal protagonist, he is at least the linchpin. Maybe the key, as in answer key.

In other words, you can often count on Desmond to introduce a paradigm shift, to substantially change the way we view Lost. And in “Happily Ever After,” he gave us perspective on how to see the flash-sideways, and more clues than ever about what they are—and, more important, what they aren’t.

As he learns from Charlie, they may not be, in some sense, reality. And if they are, it looks like they are not the happy ending they’ve seemed to be all this season. “You really do have the life,” Charles Widmore tells Desmond at the beginning of the flash-sideways—but with no attachments, no entanglements, no family, no Penny, only the approbation of Widmore, he really doesn’t have anything at all.

Life is good in Desmond’s flash-sideways, as it has been for Hurley, for Ben, and so on. But it’s too good. His life that we’ve known—the life with struggle and heartache and entanglements—that’s what he wants. And for the first time (although we had signs with Jack’s scar that glimpses of the other reality were slipping through into this one), he and Charlie become aware of a reality beyond the one they seem to know.

Why is it important that we learn this through Des? Because he’s special. In this case, just as he was uniquely able to unstick in time and see the future, here he seems to be uniquely able to consciously inhabit both Island reality and flash-sideways reality. No, we don’t know yet how the alt-universe works, what created it, or what it’s for, but we know that it’s connected in space-time with Island reality; it’s not a dream, or Heaven, or a glimpse of the future. And Desmond, it appears, is again the key.

Now the floor is open for theories as to what the alt-universe is: some kind of gnostic illusion, or (as Faraday’s scrawled note suggested) a parallel existence in “imaginary time,” or whatever. We can speculate how it was created, for whom and why. (Eloise Hawking’s warning to Desmond that he wasn’t “ready” to find what he was looking for suggests it serves some purpose.) But after “Happily Ever After,” I am finally fully confident that it means something, and this leaves me feeling very good about the remaining episodes.

Also, and this may be an issue of personal preference, I was happy to see the “science” side of Lost’s science fiction foregrounded again with the arrival of Widmore’s crew. I’m hardly a hardcore sci-fi guy, and I personally have no problem with a BSG-like ending in which the Island’s peculiarities are partly explained by science, partly explained by mysticism/religion, and partly unexplained. But after a season 5 that was almost wholly dedicated to the sci-fi and time-travel aspects of Lost, it’s been a bit jarring to see season 6 so wholly concentrate on the Jacob/Smokey spiritual conflict. I don’t need a detailed scientific explanation of how the Island works, nor will I be fact-checking the accuracy of the references to Gauss fields; I just want the show to show how its science and faith sides interrelate. Maybe Desmond’s significance is that he’s the character through whom, more than any other, they come together.

Another key in this episode: love. Both Charlie and Desmond are awakened to another plane of existence by recalling someone they loved there. If that’s too corny for you, sorry. I like this idea: here, “love at first sight” is not just fate, but a flash of awareness of a life that you are meant to have. It is, literally, a moment of clarity, in which you see beyond the confines of time and space. If that’s corny, it works for me–not just emotionally but in terms of Lost’s alt-universe story.

And speaking of love: loved, loved Henry Ian Cusick’s performance in the episode. The man has a wonderfully dynamic, expressive face, and let me just mention two scenes you could notice it here: that crazy twitch in his lip just before he tries to insert his IV stand in Widmore’s skull, and his flashes of recognition as he’s strapped into the MRI machine, where literally his eyes have to do all the work.

It’s like, as we watch those eyes, our own eyes are starting to open as to how Lost’s final season works. Desmond, like some of the other characters, is living his “happy ending.” Now he must figure out how to escape it.

Now for the hail of bullets:

* There were a huge amount of callbacks in the episode, some of which I’m sure I missed, but a few of my favorites: the parallelism of Penny running the stairs; Eloise’s “What happened, happened”; Eloise’s reprising her role from Desmond’s vision; the return of both Minkowski and the bunny (named Angstrom, for John Updike’s Rabbit Angstrom); Widmore pouring Des the 60-year-old Scotch.

* Yes, I paused on Faraday’s quantum-physics sketch. No, I have no idea what it means. But a question: will he, at some point, come to realize that undoing the H-bomb’s changing of the future—if that’s what it comes down to—will mean negating his own existence?

* In the alt-universe, Penny–Penny Milton–is still Faraday’s half-sister. Who is her mother? [Update: Or would it be crazy to ask, Who is her father? Why the new surname?]

* Note the “Milton.” In Paradise Lost, John Milton addressed the notion of God placing man in a world in which he had free will, not unlike Jacob. Go ahead and run with that.

* Desmond seems equally eager at the end to help Widmore, and to follow Zombie Sayid, who tells him Widmore’s people are not to be trusted. It may just be exhaustion, but I can’t yet explain this.

* I’m not sure if Charlie running in a hospital gown was supposed to be funny. But a dude running in a hospital gown is pretty much never not funny.

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  • thebro88

    Nice to see Academy Award winner Fischer Stevens reprise his role as George from S4. Kudos for not going all “Hollywood” and snubbing the show.
    Ditto on H.I. Cusick’s acting chops. I think Desmond’s story can sometimes be wondrous to downright tragic, and Mr. Cusick sells it extraordinarily well.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    What I took from Desmond’s behavior at the end of the episode was that he now sees the big picture. He has an awareness of events that goes beyond the endless feuds the rest of the islanders are caught up in. He might be the key for the other characters to move above the game that the island entities have been playing with them. We’ll see if it plays out that way.

    My theory was that the bomb going off in the center of the island’s energy split the space time continuum into two streams related to each other. This goes along with modern thinking about how time travel would work (and is also the theory behind Abrams’ new Star Trek movie). The two will have to come together at some point.

    I really hate to be a blog whore, but I could write twelve paragraphs as to what I think it happening or just put this link up:
    http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/my-lost-theories/

    I promise not to do it again.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    FWIW, I have no problem with people linking their blogs if (1) it’s on topic, (2) they contribute to the discussion here and (3) they don’t go nuts with it (e.g., multiple links in the same thread, or the same link in multiple threads). This is fine, thanks.

  • evizle

    I think the flash-sideways are activated by the electro-magnetism of the island. At least, that’s what I took from Widmore putting Desmond between two giant magnets and from the MRI scene. I’m guessing the nuke released the pocket of energy underneath the Swan and that’s been pushing the Losties into the sideways universe.

  • jnb987

    Right after “LA X” aired, I went and watched a Season 4 episode of “The Universe” that covered multiverses. Here’s what I gleaned, in a nutshell: when a paradox occurs (like someone travelling back in time and detonating an H-bomb, negating the cause of the plane crash that set him on that course to begin with), everything in modern physics points to the creation of parallel universes in which each of the contradictory states is separated, and they play themselves out the paradox is sorted and the two universes merge back together. The effect is like throwing a stone in a stream (remember Faraday with Kate & Jack by the river in S5?), the water splits around the stone, but converges after it.

    Nothing I’ve seen so far in S6 has gone against this concept, so I’m pretty confident it’s what we’ve been dealing with all along. As for how it plays out, well, that’s what I’m on the edge of my seat wanting to find out.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Thanks, James. By the way, I found this article from your colleagues at Techworld enlightening on this subject:
    http://techland.com/2010/03/31/time-machine-expert-hot-tub-novice-dr-michio-kaku-talks-time-travel-reality/

    You’ll notice he speaks of the recent Star Trek movie using this concept of time travel. I think it’s safe to say Abrams is aware of it and I think that’s the key to the parallel universes, as noted in another comment below.

  • Dave

    While we didn’t learn a whole lot of new stuff, I’m going to (once again) stress the importance of confirming facts. It’s a good thing that prior suspicions were either confirmed or VERY strongly hinted to. Now we can much more confidently say that Eloise and Charles have Daniel Faraday’s journal and have been using what they know to manipulate the life of Desmond Hume so that they can prepare him for whatever they speculate will resolve the timeline split. I’m not sure why Eloise didn’t put undue pressure on Daniel Widmore to make him a physicist; maybe after reading the journal she knew how much she tortured his life, or maybe she guessed that, upon things beginning to re-convene, his scientific knowledge would simply come to him. Or maybe Faraday wrote what (probably) happen in his journal :)

    Of course, I have to echo the compliments to both the story and the acting. I’ve been outspoken in my ambivalence towards the fake universe, and while I still don’t like the existence of the fake universe any more than I did before, this was easily the best fake story of the season. It’s not a coincidence that it was for a Desmond episode.

    I was half expecting Des to get into the limo at the end and have Eloise be there with another cryptic warning. That would have been spooky :)

  • Dave

    Also: I don’t think Des wearing a wedding band in LA X was unintentional.

    OH! And re: Des following Sayid, it really reminded me of (not to get horribly nerdy on everyone) Harry Potter drinking the liquid luck potion in the sixth book. He may not have known the details or exactly why, but he knew what was the thing for him to do. It may not be Widmore’s plan for him to be kidnapped by Smokey (or is it???), but that’s what Des is supposed to do.

  • Kemper

    The Desmond character fascinates me not just for the pivotal role he plays on the show, but for how somone who’s had less screen time than most of the regular players in an ensemble cast has (as James P. said) has become not only the protaganist of the show, but in many ways, it’s emotional center, too. Desmond and Penny have been in a handful of episodes together yet they’re the couple that I still respond to the most strongly.

    My wacky theory: Since Eloise knew all about Desmond in two different timelines now, is it possible that there’s some kind of Lost multiverse and she’s somehow aware of all of them? Has the show we’ve been watching since 2004 actually the original timeline or have the Losties been unknowingly repeating some variation of their story until they get the ‘correct’ ending?

    And one week after the V countdown clock fiasco, we had bad thunderstormsso I had a large map of the area covering up portions of people’s faces in close-ups. Argghhhh!! Off topic, but does anyone know why the network logos and crap that’s in the corners of the screen on regular viewing show up as one-third of the way into the screen on HD viewing?

  • Dave

    Kemper, are you in WI? Our local ABC station cut away to weather coverage during DWTS, and I almost called them to beg them not to do anything like that during Lost.

    Re: Eloise – I think she’s got Daniel Faraday’s journal. Last time we thought she was some mystical time police marshal, it turned out she had his journal from when she killed him in ’77. Now, she’s still got the journal, but instead of knowing what’s going to happen, she just knows that Desmond is special, plus whatever else Faraday wrote in it.

  • annie56

    I loved that Desmond was given another button to push.

  • twocee2

    Kemper,

    The logos are kept in their original analog picture positions so people who are using converter boxes without wide-screen can still see them. Wouldn’t want them to miss out on the screen clutter you know :)

  • denisemorris

    Ooh, annie56, good call!

    I need a constant after this episode. It was so very, very awesome. I wasn’t even sad that there was no Sawyer.

    Why did Mrs. Hawking/Widmore mention that whatever someone showed Desmond was a “violation”? Are there rules that apply to this universe as well?

    I am loving all of the callbacks in this season. I grinned like an idiot when “You All Everybody” started playing on the radio. And I was all verklempt when we saw the flashes to Charlie’s “Not Penny’s Boat” scene.

    Love it.

  • Kemper

    Kansas City area. I was terrified that they were going to cut into the show because our local weather honks like to break into programming if 3 drops of rain hit anywhere in the Midwest.

    Re: The journal. Possible but how would Eloise have a copy from the original timeline? In the alt-timeline, Daniel had only written a formula he didn’t understand after seeing Charlotte, and he only talked to Des after seeing his reaction to hearing Penny’s name so I don’t think that Des is in the alt-version of the journal. I did think for a second that what Daniel was going to show Des was the “If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is my constant.” line.

  • Frugal Gal

    I think that Desmond went with Sayid because, as in the Sideways world, he will ultimately have to deal with ALL the Oceanic passengers he can on BOTH sides. As long as he is with someone he believes is part of this solution that he seems to innately understand, even if he can’t articulate it, he’s good.

    Also, going with Sayid is the only way he will have access to Kate, Sawyer, and Claire. I think he’s going to have to convince everyone on BOTH sides of … something.

    Of course, he might be planning to whack Sayid on the head as soon as they get into the jungle. I’m good, really, either way. Last night put to rest any of my doubts about Cuse and Lundelof being able to pull off something amazing by the end. When Desmond flashed to Charlie’s “Not Penny’s Boat” message from the island reality, I actually laughed out loud from excitement.

    BTW, did anyone else think that in getting Desmond, Sayid showed more life and personality than he has since killing Dogan and Lennon?

  • Kemper

    @twocee – Thanks for the explanation. Now I know who to blame for my frustration.

  • Dave

    She has the journal because Daniel Faraday had it when she killed him in 1977 (before the time divergence). So Eloise Hawking had Faraday’s journal in the real timeline and used the knowledge from it to manipulate Des to the Island. Since the timeline was split after the point where Eloise got the journal, Eloise Widmore still had it and used it to manipulate Des for whatever reasons. Maybe Daniel had a section on his journal about the possibility of a divergence. Or they just looked at all the references to Desmond being special and knew he’d be important.

  • JCRHoo

    What’s the series total on the number of necks Sayid has snapped? He makes it look so easy :)

    Desmond diving down to the car wreck to save Charlie from drowning was, of course, just about the biggest of last night’s callbacks.

  • lordhalston

    I think the island is more scientific than we think…The Island (and its electro-magnetic properties) function as a gate way between Real space-time (made up of real numbers, flesh, solid material, 4,8,15,etc) and Imaginary space time ( made of consciousness, emotions, non-corporeal concepts, 4i, 8i, 15i, etc) This allows people to more easily bridge the gap between real and imaginary (for example contact with the consciousness of the dead or emotions [imaginary concept] from other REAL versions of real selves in alternate dimensions). So even though the physical island is destroyed in Real space-time…it continues to exist in Imaginary Space-time ( think the square-root of -4 ) and therefore using its unique gateway properties – can still effect the real world…

  • Kemper

    @ Dave – Maybe. But I think there’s still some paradox in there in that if Daniel never became a scientist and never went to the island (or if the Losties never crashed and ended up sending everyone back in time to begin with) then how 1977 Eloise, who went on to marry Widmore and raise Daniel as a musician, could have ended up with the journal in the first place. But that’s the paradox at the heart of this whole split in the timelines so maybe she could end up with the journal from the version of Danie she killed and then try to live a different timeline to prevent it.

    However, Eloise was talking about Desmond getting what he’d always wanted, Charle’s approval, and that his trying to contact Penny was some kind of violation. Seems like she knows more about what’s going than just what could have been in original-Daniel’s journal. I wouldn’t bet money on it, but I still think she’s got some kind of insider’s knowledge besides the original journal.

  • Dave

    There’s no paradox… Eloise, pregnant with Daniel, always killed Daniel after he traveled back in time, then always had the journal to know about events ahead of time, at which point she pushed Daniel to be a physicist, so he’d know enough to travel back in time. That loop is always there. The bomb going off caused the fake timeline we’re seeing to branch off (and, I would argue, this has also always happened) from the timeline, so at the start of the branched timeline, everything was taken from the normal timeline. Eloise had Daniel Faraday’s journal, even though he would be raised as Daniel Widmore and not as a physicist. She still has the journal from the original timeline.
    `
    It would be easier if I could draw a picture :)

  • Rorschach

    @Dave: Watch the movie Primer. I can’t ever talk to people about that movie without pen and paper, I don’t even try anymore :)

  • shara says

    I’ve been pretty quiet about Lost this season, I’ve been enjoying the heck out of it but haven’t had a lot to say – it’s all been simmering. A few thoughts:

    I’m thinking that the re-merging of the divergent realities will be directly connected to folks finding their Constants. It was very telling (IMHO) that Desmond touched Penny and flashed back to the Island timeline. Charlie realizes that his purpose is to find his own constant, Claire. Faraday found Desmond, who (in the island timeline anyway) he had named his Constant. He has also apparently found Charlotte, who could just as easily been his Constant (and based on LOVE). So maybe as folks begin to seek and pair off with their Constants, the walls between the two realities will gradually begin to crumble and course-correction can be completed.

    I’m wondering if there is going to be some way of “saving” the folks that the island has taken as the parallel realities merge together, based around people finding their constants in one or both places – like if altCharlie can find his altClaire, maybe he can be saved. If altSawyer finds his altJuliet, maybe she could be saved. If altDaniel can find altCharlotte, maybe he could be saved. Additionally, we’ve got Sun and Ji-Yeon possibly dying in altTimeline, but Sun and Jin haven’t actually found each other on the Island Timeline yet. I’m sure there are plenty of others that I’m not thinking of (Jack + Kate might be one, but it might be Aaron for Kate, who knows).

    Along those lines, I’m trying to interpret what Ms. Hawking/Mrs. Widmore was talking about the violation, about Desmond not being ready, etc. I am wondering if: A) this has anything to do with the fact that on the island, everyone is freaked out that things are running so far ahead of schedule for Widmore’s team; B) Ms. H/W is running this whole scheme to save her son from dying in the alt-timeline and giving him the life he always thought he wanted, and she wants all the pieces in place for Daniel to be re-integrated into the real timeline; C) Ms H/W is using this alt-timeline as a way to save ALL the people that the island has taken.

    It’s interesting that by pressing the “Failsafe” button in the Hatch, Desmond basically became the “failsafe” for everything. So what is the sacrifice that Desmond will be asked to make? Will he have to sacrifice the folks who live on altUniverse but are dead in the Island timeline? Will he have to sacrifice one version of his relationship with Penny? Both? Will he have to sacrifice himself to become the gateway that re-merges the two timelines?

  • menevets

    Neck snapping contest:

    First up:

    LOST – Sayid Jarrah

    vs

    24 – Jack Bauer

  • Chaddogg

    Leave it to Desmond, the Billy Pilgrim of Lost, to remind us that the true lesson of Lost is that love conquers all (or perhaps in the parlance of the show itself — Live Together, Die Alone?)

    This lesson, of course, is what the show has been hinting at since its beginning — people coming together to love each other (romantically or out of friendship/respect), versus the powers that threaten to pull them apart into fractious, and ultimately destructive, individuals. From the Pilot (where previous “strangers” took care of each other out of love, and where Rose held on to her irrational yet ultimately correct feeling that love would bring Bernard back to her), to the end of Season 5 (where Jack admitted he came back because he loved Kate, where Kate came back because she loved Aaron and wanted him to be with his true mother Claire, where Sawyer truly fell in love with Juliet, and where Rose and Bernard explicitly made the case to stop running around looking for fights and ways to divide themselves and instead settle down content with the one(s) you love), the overriding lesson of Lost has been love and unity conquering anger/hatred and division.

    You All, Everybody, indeed.

    So we see, I think, thanks to Desmond, is that the Sideways world is one where our characters have been set up with an artificial type of happiness, but not, ultimately, the possibility of transcedent happiness/love that they truly seek and/or have known. Sawyer does not have Juliet, but he has trappings of the life (Dharma security/Police) of the happiness he had when he was in love with her. Desmond does not yet have Penny, but has the trappings of what he wanted in his life with her (travelling around the world, approval of her father). Kate is free/on the run and has some connection to/roll in helping Aaron, but lacks Jack (and sorry Kate-Sawyer fans, but re-watch the Pilot, and tell me that this isn’t a Jack-Kate love story). Claire has Aaron but knows nothing of Charlie’s love (and Charlie knows he is in love with Claire but has not found her yet). Sayid is tantalizingly close to Nadia, but can never have her and remains an ice-cold killer (or, alternately, he is missing his true love Shannon?). Locke has Helen and is a substitute teacher, but cannot walk and does not have the true sense of belonging/love he felt in those early days on the island. And Ben retains a relationship with both his father and (somewhat with) Alex, but is missing his love of the island, and the importance it gave him, and his father-daughter bond to Alex.

    So Desmond’s mission, now, in Sideways world, is to enlighten the Oceanic 815ers with the knowledge of the real life, and real love, that the sideways world has replaced for them. And his goal on the Island….well, maybe to be the voice that tells them all that this battle between Jacob and the Man in Black is not worth waging, and that they truly must unite together as opposed to taking sides in this timeless battle between false-demigods?

    A couple other thoughts:

    - Loved the scale with the black rock and white rock in Widmore’s office. Loved Desmond saving Charlie underwater and the Not Penny’s Boat callback. Loved the return to the stadium steps. Loved that Desmond is getting coffee with Penny, and hoping that Juliet and Sawyer might be destined to do the same. Loved that Faraday saw Charlotte eating a chocolate bar (a callback to how he first saw her as a child in Dharmaville). Loved Eloise’s brooch, this time with two stars, perhaps signifying the two realities?

    - I wonder, did Sayid’s “death” and/or killing of Dogen/Lennon in the temple, and his subsequent empty feeling (discussed last episode or two) indicate that perhaps he is “cut-off” from his Sideways reality….and maybe destined to never reconcile the way the other 815ers may try to do? Is he destined to replace the Man in Black? And is Jacob’s real game to show the Man in Black that men/women do not have to be fractious and divide, but instead can choose to love each other and stay out of this conflict (but because free will exists, Jacob has to play a role in acting as if you have to choose sides)?

    - Henry Ian Cusick’s eyes go up there in the Ocular Acting Hall of Fame with Michael Hogan’s amazing acting eye on Battlestar Galactica….he put more emotion into that silent scene in the MRI than most actors could do with a ten-minute soliloquoy.

  • Chaddogg

    First? I’m pretty sure that’s the finals….

  • Kemper

    @ Dave – I get what you’re saying. But you’re assuming the time split begins when the nuke detonated. (After Daniel died and Eloise got the journal.)
    .
    I don’t think you can look at it as a simple branched timeline. The nuke going off changed the timeline in 1977, yes. But it also changed the future of people who had gone back in time to a point before the nuke went off . (Sawyer and his crew joining the DI. Daniel dying. Etc.) That’s the killing-your-grandfather style paradox here. Since it involved time travelers, the event that split the timeline caused ripples further back than the actual event itself. In that scenario, Daniel never goes back in time with his journal so Eloise could never have gotten it. Or maybe he always does.

    I’ve gotten way deeper into this than I meant too. Time travel! Arrgghhh! My main point is that I’m wondering if it’s a possibility that we’re dealing with more than just the two timelines we’re aware off. Considering the connections between Lost and Stephen King, and The Dark Tower parallels we’ve seen, I don’t think a multiverse of Losties is out of the question at this point.

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    This season of LOST has been a mixed bag for me. What started out confusing and meandering has started to gain some traction and relevance in the past 2 or 3 episodes. I thought last night’s episode, and even more the two previous, have started to give a clear direction of where the show is going and the overall message the creators are trying to relay. With only 5 episodes left, hopefully they can get that full message across. http://thesmogger.com/2010/04/06/has-lost-found-its-footing/

  • Frugal Gal

    The more I think about it, the more I think that Charles and Eloise in Sidways Reality know EXACTLY what they are doing.

    Charles HAD to get Desmond to Eloise — “go get the druggie bass player, take him to my wife.” “You lost the druggie bass player? Go apologize to my wife.” Everyone kept making it sound like Eloise was going to go Sayid on Desmond for messing up her fundraiser. But she didn’t care.

    Did she have to see Desmond to see if he had made any connections to the other side? She was perfectly fine with him until she heard him ask about Penny, THAT’S when she got mad. It didn’t have anything to do with the guest list being “private,” it was specifically about Desmond and Penny. She could be a frosty b*tch about the guest list without dismissing all of her staff and having the private talk.

    When Eloise told him that he “wasn’t ready yet,” could she have been referring to Island Desmond? Technically, at the point of Des and Ellie’s Sideways conversation, unconscious Island Des WASN’T ready, he hadn’t yet awoken to his new knowledge.

    And saying he’s not ready kind of implies that he WILL be ready at some point — is that point what Eloise and Charles are waiting for to take action?

    And I have NO basis for this idea, but is it possible that Eloise and Charles deliberately split themselves between the two realities to ensure that BOTH sides would reach a specific point where all could be corrected — like, both of them have been plotting on both sides, all headed towards an (for lack of a better word) apex of sorts, where it all comes together and whatever the major event we’ve all expected to happen by the finale will happen?

  • macevangelist

    Okay, James, after you said it’s okay to link to a blog, here is what I wrote about Desmond and quantum mechanics last fall…

    http://wantsomefish.blogspot.com/2009/09/quantum-mechanics-of-lost.html

  • Dave

    No, there aren’t backwards ripples, because the divergence is just a branch off the timeline/loop that we witnessed in seasons 1-5. There’s no “killing your grandfather” paradox, because the original time loop is still continuing, so the people who go back in time and cause events to happen still go back in time and cause those events to happen.
    `
    We don’t know what exactly happened when the blast went off. The Island eventually sunk, but there was plenty of time for people to leave the Island, I’m assuming not in a cataclysmic event (otherwise Roger and Ben would have mentioned it). Did the blast kill all the Losties that went back? Or are we going to see a 60-year-old Jack/Sawyer/Kate/etc. in the fake timeline?

  • macevangelist

    In one of the podcasts way back Damon hinted that the hatch went sideways after Desmond turned the failsafe key. So maybe this event, and not Jugheads core, created the new verse. All the energy just disappeared through the membranes into the other universes and blew up the Island in that realities 1977…

  • macevangelist

    The way Orci and Kurtzman handled this in Trek was to follow modern QM and apply the multiverse rule. Nero killing George Kirk on the Kelvin was the point were the new timeline was created. Spock Prime (Nimoy) was stuck in this new universe, and unable to return in the Star Trek Prime universe, which existed since the first Trek pilot 1964. That is why he could meet his younger self at the end of the movie. Damon said on the red carpet in LA last may: “I’ll never do time travel again”.

  • Kemper

    The original timeline still has the loop of the Losties going back and setting off Jughead. They blow up the bomb and get fast-fowarded back to their original present shortly after they took the Ajira flight back to the island. You’re right that this timeline will always have the loop where Daniel is killed by Eloise. I agree completely there.

    What I’m uncertain about is that you’re saying that everything was exactly the same in both timelines until the moment when Jughead went off, including any time travel done before Juliet whacked the bomb with the rock. One branch of a timeline forking off of a shared history with Jughead’s detonation as the point where it splits.
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    However, the history in the alt-timeline can’t just start when Jughead went off. Because Jughead never exploded there. (If it had, wouldn’t Miles’s dad and the rest of the DI crew been vaporized right there? I’m pretty sure alt-Miles said something about his dad being alive during the buddy-cop episode with Sawyer.) Just by existing, this timeline has to have a history where no one came back in time because they never crashed on the island to begin with.
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    The history for both timelines can’t be exactly the same before the nuke blew because the detonation of Jughead created a new future where Jughead was never detonated. The alt-timeline can’t just suddenly start with an event that never happened. Even if that’s the event that created it. (Hee…)
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    I think you’re looking at it as a timeline with a branch that begins with the nuke detonation and a loop back to that point. I’m thinking of it as two parallel tracks, with a dotted line between the two at the point of detonation. (And maybe many more parallel tracks with many more dotted lines connecting them?) No idea which one is right in the mind of Darlton, but there’s definately a couple of ways of looking at.
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    I need a drink.,,

  • Dave

    Agreed on needing a drink :)
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    I’ve been viewing it all season as the branch off the normal timeline with everything in the branch being the same as the normal before the divergence. I think our core difference is that you’re assuming that the nuke going off kills everyone around the Swan site, while I’ve been assuming that that they’ll pull a Jin-surviving-the-exploding-freighter on us and say that, since the bomb was so far underground, it only killed Juliet and screwed up the pocket of energy. I’ve been half-expecting to see an older Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Miles/Jin/Hurley/Sayid show up in the fake timeline (maybe they were also on Eloise’s guest list?).
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    I suppose that’s still up in the air, but I took last night as a strong sign that things pre-explosion in the fake timeline are as they are in the real timeline.

  • Kemper

    Actually, I don’t think any of the Losties died in the explosion. My theory (such as it is) is that when Juliet set off the nuke, that everyone from the original timeline was pushed forward to their correct place in time with all the original history we’ve seen in place. I’ve been assuming that in this original timeline, that the detonation was ‘the incident’ and that the whole thing with pushing the button was to release energy built up by Juggy doing something wonky to the existing electromagnetic field.
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    In the alt-timeline, per my thinking, none of the Losties were there to begin with and no bomb ever detonated. It never happened. Maybe they never even had an incident in this version of events. Seems like the DI was there for a while and then left. (Mile’s dad is still alive, Ben and his dad left. Ethan is a doctor in L.A. Eloise and Charles Widmore left, married and raised Daniel, etc.) At some point, the island sank for some reason.
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    But I find your idea intriguing. If the history is shared until the blast, then their could indeed be senior Losties floating around the alt-timeline as well as their younger counterparts.
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    First round is on me.

  • Dave

    Ah, I see what you’re saying. A good friend has (had? it was a month ago we discussed it…) a similar theory, but I’m not totally sure how similar.
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    The one thing from last night that sticks out to me about that is Daniel Widmore telling Des that he thought he set off a bomb to disrupt the natural order of things. Man, I can’t wait for next week.
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    So Milwaukee’s not THAT far from KC, right?

  • Tom Shaw

    I wish I could take credit for this, buy my buddy came up with it instantly after watching the episode:

    All of Desmond’s visions of Charlie’s deaths, and his flash deja-vu after the hatch blew up, were all flash-sideways to different timelines.

    Desmond only has one special power – the ability for his consciousness to jump to different timelines – we just didn’t understand what that power exactly was until now.

    And Dave, as much as I like the “timelines diverged in 1977 so Hawking has original timeline notebook in both timelines” theory, we don’t know that’s the case:
    Alt-Hawking could have had her consciousness flash when she saw the one she loves – her son, alt-Daniel, at which point she remembered what the original knew of the notebook, without said notebook necessarily existing in that timeline.

    But whether Alt-Hawking has or merely “remembers” the notebook, it is clearly the source of her advanced knowledge. Her statement that Desmond only wants Widmore’s approval is her misunderstanding the context of why Desmond entered the boat race.

    Also, as much as I would like Alt-Hawking to be a villain, fighting to have the fake timeline “win”, it is clear that she knows what’s up and is on the side of the angels on this one: Her statement that Desmond wasn’t supposed to know about Penny “yet” clearly implies that he is supposed to know about her at some point, and help the correct timeline “win” – or else he simply wouldn’t be involved at all.

    Oh yeah, and another Esau-verse identity that just focuses on personal happiness? Nah, no one’s mentioned that….

  • franny7

    “Last night put to rest any of my doubts about Cuse and Lundelof being able to pull off something amazing by the end ”
    Word.

    and James, thanks for a great post and love the comments here…

  • franny7

    And…I can’t wait to see how they reconcile the Desmond/sci-fi story line with Jacob/Smokey good vs evil one. Cause at this point I can’t even imagine a way…

  • Dave

    The main reason I don’t like the “there are a lot of other timelines” thought is this: why is this specific timeline one of consequence? If there are a lot of timelines, why would this one matter, and why would it have an unusual connection/potential merging with the one we’ve grown to know and love?
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    I know Lost is great at the how-crazy-can-we-get theories, but as often as an answer to a question is crazy, another one is shockingly simple (Eloise had Faraday’s journal v1; the O6 left the Island on a helicopter; the Black Rock was carried half a mile inland by a huge wave).
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    It just seems like a branch-and-merge setup makes more sense and would be more satisfying than Eloise calmly saying, “Oh, well, there are infinitely many universes. These two just happened to coincide because of [science talk].” Plus, having the mysterious journal be the source of knowledge lets the producers say, “Oh, yeah, of course she knew about X, because Faraday totally would have hypothesized about it happening… *cough*”

  • msjulius

    James: Widmore is still Penny’s father in the Sideways-Timeline. Daniel tells Desmond that Penny is his half-sister. I assume that the reason her last name is Milton is that in the Alt-Timeline Penny is illegitimate. Generally, illegitimate children have their mother’s last name. Penny’s mother’s last name is probably Milton. We know that part of the reason Charles was expelled from the island in the original timeline (according to Ben) is that he had a child with an “outsider.” In the original timeline we can assume that Charles married the “outsider” aka Penny’s Mom. Therefore in the original timeline Penny’s last name is Widmore.

  • nedlum

    I loved seeing Desmond and Charlie together. I remember the chemistry between the two of them really sold a lot of Season 3 for me.

  • http://dominicang.wordpress.com dominicang

    Great back and forth you guys are having, you both have very interesting theories (although I’m getting a headache just thinking about the possibilities lol).
    As per what Daniel said about having set off a nuclear bomb, I actually understood it in a figurative way, as in by starting to help Desmond to find Penny and to make him see into the other reality that he had flashes about, it was going to change everything in that existence just as blowing up the nuke created the different timelines.

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