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LOST - "Ab Aeterno" - Richard Alpert faces a difficult choice, on "Lost," TUESDAY, MARCH 23 (9:00-10:06 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/MARIO PEREZ) TITUS WELLIVER, NESTOR CARBONELL

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, roast yourself a nice pig, pour yourself a bottle of wine (I suggest a fruity grenache with the pork), cork the bottle extremely tightly and watch last night’s Lost.

We can spend all day talking about the mythology and background revealed on “Ab Aeterno,” an intense episode of Lost–and I’m sure we will–but let’s say this first: fancy story aside, last night showed us a fine hour of acting, plain and simple.

I’ve seen Nestor Carbonell in a variety of roles on TV (from Bat Manuel in The Tick to the CBS soap Cane), and it’s not like he’s been a slouch as Richard on Lost. But until this season, he’s had to play Richard on a single, subdued, sustained note of enigmatic cool. In “Ab Aeterno,” he almost literally made Richard into another character, showing us the decent, desperate, heartbroken man who would be transformed over 140 years as Jacob’s ambassador on the Island.

But first he had to go through hell, and “Ab Aeterno” was a kind of Lost episode unlike any we’ve seen before. It resembled “The Other 48 Days” in being a single-focused story about an earlier time on the Island. But rather than showing us the whole of Richard’s sojourn to the present, it carried him from his home the Canary Islands (site, as Breaking Bad taught us, of the worst aviation disaster ever) to accidental murder to prison to the hold of a slave ship to a survival experience more raw and gruesome than any Lost has ever shown us. (The scene in which the ship’s officer goes below deck and starts murdering slaves who he believes would kill him if freed was more pat cable-like in its brutality than anything I remember on Lost.)

It may have seemed like a lot of time spent to some viewers, but clearly Cuse and Lindelof thought they needed to show, not just tell, the circumstances that brought Richard to his current pass. And Carbonell sold it, embodied Ricardo’s horror as he lived through a Victorian-horror melodrama. Which is important, because they had to place us in the mindset of someone who believes, literally not figuratively, that he is actually in hell.

So are they in hell? (That, and Purgatory, were among the first theories fans spun about Lost.) Are they actually in danger, as Ghost Isabella says, of going to hell? No, but Ricardo has come to what he thinks of as hell, and to a place that someone of his era and mindset will naturally interpret as hell. Unlike, say, Hurley, a religious, penitent man living on the Canary Islands in 1867 has not read sci-fi or seen a monster movie in his life. If he ends up in a place where he sees horrors, where the dead come to life (and are seemingly killed again), and a thing made of smoke snatches men up to their death—well, that’s hell, case closed. Someone of another era will give it a different name.

It’s not hell–right?–but it is, “Ab Aeterno” told us more explicitly than ever, a metaphysical playing ground, where two forces are battling it out through human subjects, not unlike gods in Greek mythology. So what game are Jacob and Smokey/The Man in Black playing? We got the rough outline at the end of season 5–and fans have inferred or theorized most of the rest–but it was still a bit stunning to hear Jacob say it to Ricardo directly.

To wit: Smokey is imprisoned on the Island. He is a malevolent force–call him evil, call him hatred, call him the devil if you want–who, if released, would spread over the world like, well, black smoke. (Or wine. I like the idea of a Wine Monster.) Jacob brings people to the Island, where–whatever they have done in the past–they have a chance to choose good over evil. (He is, metaphorically, the producer of Lost.) Jacob believes people can choose good. Smokey believes (as he said in the season 5 finale) that they always go bad in the end. Smokey tries to manipulate and tempt them toward that end; Jacob believes they must choose of their own free will.

[But! It should go without saying, but: this is what Jacob is telling us the game is. This is what the show has led us to infer the game us. That does not, yet, prove that it is true, or that it is the whole story. Smokey appears to have his own take on it, and while he may just be utter and downright evil, bad guys have turned out to be more than they seem on Lost before. (Take Richard.)]

So far, so God-and-Devily. But what is “right and wrong” in the endgame of Lost, anyway? I’m glad, if this is the case, that the arc of the series is the characters’ redemption, and that they have agency to choose for themselves. Still, is their goodness going to be defined by which side they pick in this Island-god showdown? Why exactly, is it “good” to pick the jackass deity who strands innocent people in an Island hellhole over the jackass deity who deceives and or kills them once they get there? It’s better, maybe, but I’m not sure Jacob’s role in all this seems so holy. You crashed me on this terrifying rock so you could “prove [Smokey] wrong?” Have a freaking debate society and leave me out of it!

In any event, from “Ab Aeterno,” the notion of the Losties finally saying pox-on-both-your-houses and rejecting the whole cosmic game seems less likely. Though I still see signs that Smokey and Jacob may be more alike than they let on: it was certainly interesting to see that, when Smokey tried to enlist Ricardo to kill Jacob, he gave him the knife and the same speech that Dogen (not Jacob, but his servant) gave Sayid to get him to kill Smokey.

As all this unfolds, I hope that the other conflicts over the Island built over the last five seasons–the “science-based” story, if you will–aren’t wholly subsumed in the Paradise Lost scenario. How does Hanso, and his descendants in the Hanso foundation, figure into all this? Why did they come to see the Island as significant, and what exactly did Dharma want to achieve on the Island? How did Widmore get there in the first place, and what did he want–and what investment, if any, do Smokey and Jacob have in his war with Ben, and vice versa? The closer I get to the center of the onion, the more I want to revisit the layers.

Those are all big-picture questions that (I will be a broken record here) are impossible to judge until the season and series are over. As an episode, “Ab Aeterno” again proved Lost’s ability to find the humanity in, and build a connection with, its most seemingly enigmatic characters. Hell of a job.

Now for the hail of bullets:

* Is it just me, or did Titus Welliver get direction to deliver his lines like Terry O’Quinn—or, specifically, as O’Quinn-as-Smokey-as-Locke? Whether intentional or coincidental, Welliver’s phrasing and manner made clear he and O’Quinn were playing the same character in different bodies. Nice work.

* So if Smokey gets off The Island, the world will become plagued with evil, hatred and malevolence. As opposed to…?

* And about Jacob: did he strike anyone else in the 1867 part of this story as more tough and hard-assed than we’ve seen him in the Island’s present? A bit of an Old Testament Jacob?

* By the way, I likened Jacob and Smokey to God and the Devil above, because the discussion about their views of man and free will echo Paradise Lost (among other stories). However, I assume that Jacob’s telling Ricardo that he cannot bring back the dead or absolve his sins was the show’s way of saying, “No, Jacob is not literally God.”

* I’ve been reading elsewhere about the parallels between the plot on the Island and Stephen King’s novels, especially The Stand, which at this point I am glad I haven’t read. But when the Man in Black took out the magic weapon and told Ricardo to kill his enemy, was I the only one reminded of HBO’s Carnivàle, and the murderous eternal war among the avatars?

* When Ricardo saw Isabella in the hold of The Black Rock, the inference was that this was actually Smokey appearing as Isabella to manipulate him. Presumably Smokey had access to Ricardo’s memories after examining and flash-photographing him, yes? I could look this up but I’m not going to: is this the first time we’ve seen Smokey manifest as a person who (unlike Locke, Yemi or Christian) had not physically been on the Island, even as a corpse?

* That CGI butterfly that fluttered into the Black Rock’s hold–I assume it’s significant, and I have no explanation for it. (My one theory, that the Island is actually Pandora from Avatar, is probably not too likely.) Speaking of CGI, credit to Lost for showing some scenes set on the ocean that did not look like a low-budget video game.

* One question “Ab Aeterno” did not answer–how did Ricardo become Ricardus? Is Jacob the one with the penchant for Latin (which the Others demonstrated in the 1950s and later, and which I assume is significant), or did it come from elsewhere? Do we have another journey into the Island’s past coming? (Widmore flashback! Widmore flashback!)

* OK, this may be immature, but was anyone else wondering if Hurley and Richard were going to share a kiss, a la Ghost, when Ricardo was visited by the shade of Isabella? It would have blown the moment, I suppose, but still.

* More seriously, when Isabella told Richard he’d suffered enough, were you thinking he was going to die? More to the point, were you, like me, hoping he would die, as a mercy to him? It’s a tribute to the show that it can cause a reaction like this to a character we’ve long known as one of the bad guys–or so, at least, we thought.

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  • That Anonymous Dude

    the thing I came away with is this..in the sideways universe whatever redemption or continued failure the characters achieve is going to be wiped out by smokey’s ultimate evil in some way. The ‘cork’ was destroyed by the nuke in that timeline. I assume cosmic smokey survived.

  • xxception

    I also thought it was significant that smokey turned the corked wine bottle upside down the same way Jacob did when explaining the evil analogy to Ricardo. It was as if he had heard the exact same story before.

  • timburns116

    Is it weird that, as a post-religious society, we don’t see Boblical parallels in this story. As an unbeliever myself, I have no problem with that, but the lack of ability of any critic I have so far to note the similarities between Peter after Jesus’s crucifixion and Richard after Jacob’s execution is slightly baffling, including Richard denying Jacob three time before the sun rose (once to Jack, once to Illyana, and once when he found the cross). It’s very allegorical.

    Or, maybe I’m reading too much into it, since the local Easter Egg hunt is this Saturday

  • Rorschach

    This episode really tried to hit you over the head with “Smokey is true evil and Jacob is protecting the world” and if that’s the whole story I’m going to be incredibly disappointed. When Richard put the cross back on to symbolize his return to the “correct” path, with Jacob, I groaned. If I get BSG’d again I’m not going to be happy. I guess I just have to keep the faith that it won’t be anything so simplistic.

    Darlton has gotten us this far and I know it’s dumb to jump to any conclusions. I’m going to be good. But when Smokey broke the wine bottle I had the same reaction as I did watching the latest Flash Forward when a character literally said “I’m the villain.”

  • chelsea15jk

    Wow, I definitely think Nestory deserves a nom for Best Supporting Actor after that ep! He sure had to cry a lot, but he did it very well.

    And I noticed how a few of the Man in Black/Smoke Monster/UnLocke (wish they’d give him a name) seemed just like Locke in one bit, like you mentioned. Very cool.

    Haha and that’s about all I have to say…I kind hope Richard does die in the end so he can be with Isabella again.

  • cashoutcurse

    “I could look this up but I’m not going to: is this the first time we’ve seen Smokey manifest as a person who (unlike Locke, Yemi or Christian) had not physically been on the Island, even as a corpse?”

    The Monster appeared as Ben’s mom in The Man Behind the Curtain.

    Also, I agree about the special effects. The CGI was great in this episode. They’ve come a long way in just this one season.

  • thebro88

    Havn’t enjoyed an episode of LOST like this in a long time. I’m not even sure why. Richard was always an enigma, but a not a central character to invest in. Its a major credit to the writers and actors (esp. Mr. Carbonell), to make me feel one way towards a character that I had previously written off as something different (in S4/5). Spectacular hour of television. Thats all I ask for. Bravo.

  • karibemidji

    I read this blog religiously (and enjoy it so much – thank you all of you!). My husband watches Lost because I do and doesn’t keep up on the theories, etc. At the end of this episode, he turns to me and says “So, the other guy’s Esau right?”. We also talked about this being like the book of Job. God and the Devil playing games with humanity – specifically one poor guy named Job. Here poor Ricardo, believed in Jacob, faithfully followed Jacob for 140 years to find out that basically “we’re f***ing with you” to see who’s right.

  • Dave

    I didn’t really get the impression that they were hitting us over the head with the explanations of Jacob and Smokey… I took it as them just explaining in simple terms what those characters’ roles are (and, considering that we’re in the last half of the last season, I don’t think that’s an early reveal by any means).
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    I’d be extremely disappointed if they tried to play off the character that kills whenever he gets the chance* as the good guy in the end.
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    * The easy argument against this is that the Others had no problem killing people that weren’t on Jacob’s lists, though I’d consider this more a part of Smokey’s influence than Jacob’s.

  • Dave

    To me, the biggest mythological anomaly right now is Christian. Smokey (apparently) can’t leave the Island, but we’ve seen Christian appear to Jack and speak to him. We’ve seen Christian appear to Michael and tell him he can go now, immediately before dying. We’ve seen Christian tell Vincent to wake up Jack, because of the important job he has. Yet we’ve also seen Christian (wearing different clothes) take Claire away to either corrupt her or allow her to be corrupted by Smokey. We’ve seen Christian (in his suit) tell Locke that he was supposed to turn the wheel, and that he should say hi to Jack.

  • kaptingimpy

    Building on the last bullet, I recall a scene in season 1 (IIRC) where Tom declared to the Losties, “We’re the good guys!”

    Given what’s been revealed this season, it’s beginning to look more and more likely that they actually believed that and, from an island-centric point of view, it may have been true.

    It will make revisiting that portion of the story a much different viewing experience.

  • mcnater

    The island as an Axis Mundi. I really think this guy has it figured out.

    http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2010/03/lost-axis-mundi.html#more

    Just an awesome theory.

  • Chaddogg

    Just a powerful hour (and six minutes! Thank you smart DVR!) of television, and an episode of Lost, I should note, that was VERY different than any other episode I can recall. (Perhaps the closest parallel is to The Other 48 Days, where the story was entirely linear telling us what happened to the Tailies).

    And whoever said it above is correct: Nestor Carbonell blew me away in this episode, and if this isn’t submitted as his Emmy-showcase for Best Supporting Actor, I’d be shocked (just as I’d be shocked if it doesn’t at least merit him a nomination).

    A number of thoughts:

    1. For a show all about bad fathers, I found it very notable that Richard’s “bad father” — the priest, or “Padre” — did something almost worse than any other “bad father” we’ve seen on this show: he denied his “son” forgiveness, denied him absolution for his sins, and (quite literally) condemned him to hell, first by refusing to take his confession and then by selling him into slavery. Ring any Biblical bells? It should. In the Bible, Jacob’s “son”, Joseph, is sold into slavery by his brothers (who are jealous that Joseph receives so much attention from their father). Joseph ultimately is given a gift from God (the power to interpret dreams/be a prophet), that saves him from slavery and leads ultimately to his reconciliation with his father and brothers. Is Richard (sold into slavery, given a gift of eternal life, serving as a guide to “believers” on the Island, and entrusted with guiding the “candidates”) a metaphorical Benjamin, a favored “son of Jacob”?

    2. “So if Smokey gets off The Island, the world will become plagued with evil, hatred and malevolence. As opposed to…?” I agree with you, James, which is why I think there is more to the story. This is also why I disagree with you, however, that “the notion of the Losties finally saying pox-on-both-your-houses and rejecting the whole cosmic game seems less likely.” I think this is EXACTLY where we’re going. Lost has always been about the folly in extremism or zealotry (man of faith v. man of science, black v. white). Indeed, Rose and Bernard said as much at the end of Season 5 — stop running around looking for fights, and respect/love each other, and you’ll be happy.

    In the end, the “live together, die alone” choice is the ones the Losties have to embrace — they live together (i.e. embracing their feelings/admiration/love for each other) instead of dying alone (i.e. allowing themselves to be played against each other in cosmic chess). Jacob is God-like in this sense — while a “side” that can be chosen in the game, he ultimately wants the Losties to pick the path that rejects the battle and chooses love for each other. (Consider this Jacob/God’s way of rejecting the zealots, like terrorists, who would use Jacob/God to fight against those who oppose them or they hate). He cannot force them to it, or even tell them it explicitly, but he knows and wants them to avoid this battle, and chose to live/love together.

    3. @James — you may have been thinking that Hurley and Richard would kiss. I was wondering if Hurley might have been there to KILL Richard. Glad that Hugo didn’t have to do something like that, though….

  • macevangelist

    Fantastic episode. I was stunned by watching the Rock smash into Tawaret, and kept on the the edge of my seat for the rest of the ep. Excellent job by Gregg Nations and his co-author all way through. What really surprised me was the way the Lockified Welliver ManInBlack handed a vintage dagger to Richard which the same formula for killing the devil than Dogen did with Sayid.

    Awesome storytelling and characterbuilding, Lost will finish it’s arc with a big bang.

  • Tom Shaw

    After five years of every fake-out in the book… Richard’s backstory is the most likely interpretation of the hints we’ve been given. That’ll teach me to discount the obvious!

    Aside from that, nothing in this week changed my thinking on the conflict as a whole. Esau believes that individual happiness is all that matters, and that civilization is hypocrisy (at worst he’s an amoralist); Jacob believes that collective happiness is primary, even if individuals suffer as a result (like the hundreds/thousands he’s dragged to the Island under the worst conditions and then frowned upon when the result wasn’t Utopia).

    The Flash-sideways are the world where Jacob didn’t intervene – essentially the world according to Esau – and indeed, the individuals there are happier as a result; the rug yet to pulled out is the state of the world as a whole (undoubtedly worse).

    So the final conflict is which model of civilization the Losties choose to follow, and how their lives have led them to that decision.

  • leto3

    My random thoughts on the episode are mostly logistical. Is there any chance that the date given for Richards story of 1863 a typo and should read 1763, or has that date been confirmed elsewhere(the Black Rock log book for example)? I only bring this up because how much white slavery was still in practice anywhere where you would need to speak english during the middle of the American Civil War. Also Ricardo calls America, the new world, when really how new is it at that point, maybe that term was still in use. Also does this mean that the Island was in the Atlantic (location of Canary Islands plus english as necessary for destination) during the late 1800′s. All other references put it in the Pacific somewhere(we know it moves around, but the Atlantic was much more densely navigated = more chances to stumble on Island by traditional means or know island exists).

    Last thought, so the Island is a cap over “Hell” and there are a list of “Candidates” among only one will be chosen to save the world from the release of evil by a mysterious big bad. Man, where is Buffy Summers when you need her.

    Peace

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    Seems like I’m in or am the minority here, because I was ‘meh’ on this episode. I mean it really didn’t tell us anything we didn’t know other than how Richard came to the island which was like the first 10minutes. Other than that, we already knew this is a battle between Jacob and the man in black, we already knew Jacob granted Richard the ability to never die, I mean there was really no magical thing in that scene other than Jacob saying ‘okay you’ll never die’. I mean it had nice acting and some good CGI, but as a whole, I feel the episode could have been skipped.

  • megand44

    Can someone tell me if I heard this right? Did the Man in Black tell Richard that Jacob stole his body? Is Jacob occupying the MIB’s body, and is the MIB a ghost until he is able to take Locke’s?

  • tenderfeet

    I thought this was a solid episode but I’m still not thrilled with the Jacob/MIB dynamic.

    I’m hoping there’s more too it, and the fact that “the devil”/MIB/evil can be contained with sonic fences leads me to think there will be…

  • leto3

    I just wanted to say that I made my “Buffy” comment prior to reading Mo Ryan’s Lost post. So how funny is it that when you surround yourself with people with the same pop culture tastes, you end up processing new content in such a similar way independent of one another.

  • Dave

    That’s like saying The Constant was a “meh” episode after Daniel explained that Des needs to find his constant. “Ok, Des needs to find Penny. Let’s move on to more important stuff now.”
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    And I’ll also point out that there is great value in having theories clarified or explicitly stated. I know it’s shocking to think, but there are fans who don’t obsessively follow the show like we do. Remember in S5 when we were geeking out over seeing Ms. Hawking again? I had coworkers who said to me, “Oh, have we seen her before?” And I explained why it was such a big deal. So taking time to state, “This is how this is working,” is not lost time to me.

  • antilles13

    @Megan – I was completely confused by that too, and I didn’t have time to go back and watch it again…

    The “revelations” in this episode left me thoroughly confused about the Jacob/MIB scenes at the beginning of The Incident (and seriously, is there some point in not giving us his name?! It is kind of getting annoying.). If Jacob’s whole mission is to keep MIB trapped on the island/in the bottle, then what was that whole thing about “it only ends once, everything else is just progress?” Hasn’t Jacob gotten the “ending” he wanted every single time? MIB is still on the Island. And really, why would he need to bring people to the Island if, as he said, MIB will always remain trapped as long as Jacob is alive? It seems to me Jacob would remain alive until one of the people he brought to the Island killed him…

    To answer my own initial question – is the “ending” Jacob seeks that Man has evolved to the point where they can handle MIB escaping to the world? Is that what the flash-sideways show us? That’s the only conclusion I could come to, but it doesn’t make sense b/c why would he still be concerned about candidates?

    This was a great episode. And as all great Lost episodes seem to do, it left me questioning everything I believed about the show at the beginning of the night…

    (Getting back to Megan’s question – Sayid’s stabbing the MIB had no apparent effect. Yet MIB gives the same instruction, and seemingly the same weapon, to Richard (knowing it would have no effect?). At the same time, Jacob died from a similar stab to the heart, albeit with a completely different instrument (and the added help of a little fire). Uh, what gives? Seriously, did Jacob and MIB switch places at some point?? James mentioned how 1867 Jacob seemed a little pissy, whereas 1867 MIB seemed fairly docile – just like 2007 Jacob. Okay, I have to stop thinking about this now.)

  • macevangelist

    Yep, he said:
    ‘The devil betrayed me. He took my body. My humanity.’
    Maybe poor Smokey is really without his body since the beginning of time. Or at least since the days the egyptian murals were created…

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    I wouldn’t say the Constant wasn’t important because that set up the idea of shifting threw time that was a major plot point later on. Now, yes, maybe there was something that we’ll look back on and say “oh, Richard’s episode set up that”, but as of now I don’t see it.

    I understand the need to have things confirmed, I just feel there wasn’t much confirmed that even a casual Lost viewer wouldn’t have noticed by now ie Richard works for Jacob and doesn’t age. I just don’t enjoy as much the stating of the obvious and that’s why I was ‘meh’ on the episode. This episode just seemed like filler and not even the filler episodes we’ve had in the past where they are just moving pieces/characters for bigger action. And that’s not to say I don’t enjoy filler episodes, I kind of liked the expose episode even though there wasn’t really anything important that happened in that episode either, but that was mainly because I was fascinated by the way they spliced the expose characters (I can’t even remember their names now) into scenes previously shot.

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    Eh, sorry about the poor formating, didn’t realize page breaks weren’t working again.

  • http://flafreniere.wordpress.com/ François

    I think this episode did more to reconcile the supernatural and scientific sides of Lost, although it didn’t do so in any explicit way. Jacob described the Island as a “cork” that contains evil, and from the events of the episode one could have interpreted that as metaphor for the Island as a prison to keep the man in black from corrupting the outside world.

    But we’ve also learned in season two that the Island sits on a pocket of electromagnetic energy and we’ve seen in season five how the Swan station was first built to exploit, and then to contain that energy. So it would turn out the Island is also a cork, in a very literal and scientific way.

    What’s the missing link between the man in black’s imprisonment and the pocket of energy? Was the energy released when the sky turned purple after the hatch imploded? And what does it mean for the “cork” analogy if the Island is sunken in the sideways timeline?

  • macevangelist

    Yogi, please have a look at what David Mamet has to say about that…

    http://bit.ly/MametDramaMemo

  • megand44

    Very true–if they can’t kill each other, and Jacob’s job is to contain the MIB, what is the point of bringing people to the island at all?

    I wondered if they had switched places with each other too. That might explain why Richard advised The Others to kill Dharma in the purge. He thought he was following Jacob, but it was the MIB

  • adriaezn

    One thing I’d really like to have answered:

    “If he says one word, it will already be too late.” or something to that effect. If I remember correctly, Jacob said something to Ben (“What about you”) before Ben killed him…however, he had refused to speak directly to Ben prior to that point. I assume this is somehow significant that Ben was still able to kill Jacob despite the fact that Jacob had spoken to him (albeit just briefly and only repeating back to Ben what Ben had said). Thoughts?

  • http://healingstream.wordpress.com josh2blonde

    Smoke Monster HAS appeared before as someone who died off the island (presumably) as Ben’s mother. Furthermore, he seems to choose dead people whose deaths could conceivably be blamed on the person he’s appearing to.

    And of course, AMAZING episode.

  • tenderfeet

    The connection between the scientific/supernatural sides is what I’ve been waiting for and I totally missed how the ‘cork’ analogy could connect the two.

    I really like your interpretation and hope they reconcile these aspects further in the last few episodes.

  • azulbug

    I agree; I am surprised by the critics’ lack of biblical knowledge. Here are the things I noticed about Jacob: When asked if he is the devil, Jacob answered, “No.” Well, the Devil does lie, and would lie about that. He said he could not bring Richard’s wife back nor absolve him of his sins; well, of course the Devil couldn’t do either of those. Now, I do believe the Devil can be killed (Jacob). But I don’t believe God can be killed (MIB). Jacob seems more and more like the Devil to me.
    I do have more observations, but I must logoff for now.

  • chelsea15jk

    I was just thinking about the wine and the cork…and to me it doesn’t really make much sense that the cork is the island. Just IMHO of course, but it seems like the bottle is the island holding him in, and the cork is Jacob preventing him for leaving. Because in the end MiB didn’t pull the cork out; he smashed the bottle, like he was going to destroy the island.

    Of course I could have it completely backwards, but those are just my two cents.

  • macevangelist

    The poor Magnus Hanso did not survive the crashlanding. Jonas Whitfield says ‘Bring me the Captain’ and a crewmember answers ‘Sir, Captain Hanso is dead’ It’s around 17:30 in the episode.
    Plus I wondered if Jacob used the Lighthouse mirror in the 1860′s, because he does not Richard. Or he just used the Lighthouse for checking out candidates, while he brought people on the Island without knowing who they were personally, or what they did beforehand.
    Anyway, Smokey follows his modus operandi, he kills some, he scans some, and he returns as an apparition after the scan. In this case he pretended to attack his own Isabella puppet. Typical smoke and mirror tactics,
    Loophole 1.0…

  • http://jimfromla.wordpress.com jimfromla

    I see the conflict between Jacob and The Man In Black as the conflict between the two primary views of the Jewish God.

    Some people believe God is watching, listening to prayers, intervening with It’s believers and fixing situations to kill enemies of It’s followers.

    Others believe God can’t get involved because that will make free will meaningless.

  • http://sth.freeshell.org/ stharward

    Agreed. The Christian references aren’t even subtle, and none of the major critics seem to be picking up on them. Eg: the bible chapter that the priest opens to is Luke 4, which starts off with Jesus being tempted by the devil, then has him escaping from people who wanted to throw him off a cliff, and ends with him casting out devils.

  • jeia56

    Simply a superb episode.

    A few things I noticed: 1.) Richard was reading Luke chapter 4 in his prison cell. In that chapter Jesus is tempted by Satan in the wilderness, begins his ministry in Nazareth, offends some religious leaders with one of his sermons, heals some people and exorcises some demons. Now all of these details could be significant, but I think the major one is the tempting of Christ in the wilderness. All sorts of theologians and Christian authors and scholars have written about how significant a moment this is and how Jesus could have been different if he had given in to temptation, so I won’t go into detail here. Suffice to say it is a major moment with some obvious Lost parallels.

    2.) Speaking of Luke, the bible and Jesus, it seems to me like Richard’s arc over the past few episodes has been reminiscent of what Peter went through after Jesus died. Peter denied Jesus three times before the sun rose before rediscovering his faith when Jesus was resurrected. Very similar to what Richard did after Jacob died. Hmmm….

    3.) Titus Welliver is a phenomenal actor. Also, 1867 Jacob is badass.

    4.) I’m fairly certain that Jacob is supposed to be the “good guy” and the MIB is “evil”. For whatever reason, I just get good vibes whenever Jacob is on screen and a chill down my spine whenever the MIB appears. Although, I don’t believe that either of them are supposed to embody complete good or complete evil.

    5.) When Jacob mentioned sin that got me thinking, If the MIB is supposed to be devil-like figure, always tempting humans form the “right’ or “good” path, then it would make sense that he would not appear as the embodiment of evil. Part of what makes sin so attractive is that it is not ugly on the outside, but it is very appealing on the surface and that is part of its allure. Although, Jacob can also appear to be very attractive, so maybe he is the devil…

  • tyrantking

    So have we given up on the island having its own agenda? Sad. I always liked that theory.

  • murdoc829

    Re: The island as bottle not cork. . .
    .
    Isn’t it possible that Jacob is the bottle (the prison) and the island is the cork (the mechanism/force that keeps MiB from leaving)? Therefore, smashing the bottle is emblematic of MiB’s plan to find a loophole and kill Jacob (not destroy the island)?
    .
    Not sure how that works, exactly, except we know that Jacob “stole” MiB’s body . . . so maybe Jacob now inhabits MiB’s body, which serves to imprison MiB?

  • Dave

    Doc Jensen at ew.com goes into great detail on his theories regarding the parallels between Lost and Luke, specifically chapters 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 24 (42 inverted). Think of it this way: would you rather mainstream critics attempt to analyze the Biblical parallels, then butcher the theology, or would you rather fewer critics analyze those parallels very well?

  • Dave

    I haven’t :)

  • madmatt86

    My understanding was that the (British) captain was carrying the (English speaking) slaves over to Australia. The Brits deported criminals over there till the 1950s, afaik. So the southern Pacific stills fits.

  • antilles13

    Upon second viewing, from the way he said it I think it means more “Jacob took my body from me (and now I have to go around as a big cloud of black smoke unless I assume someone else’s form),” and not “Jacob took my form – see that dude over there, that’s what I used to look like a few centuries ago.”

    It was still an odd thing to say without providing any additional context…

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