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Lostwatch: Good Cop, Bad Cop

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SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, get a beer, heat up a TV dinner, soak in a little bit of the homespun wisdom of Michael Landon, then watch last night’s Lost.

“I got to a point in my life where I was either going to be a criminal or a cop. So I chose cop.”

Lost, of course, is full of people who could have gone one way or another way. That seems to be the running theme of the flash-sideways stories, however they end up playing out, and whatever relation they end up having to the storyline on the Island. (I have a few thoughts on that, which I’ll get to in a minute.) Do you go the good way, or the bad way? Criminal or cop? White rock or black rock?

The beauty of the Sawyer/James Ford stories throughout Lost, however, is that they’ve suggested a more complex, mature idea of morality. On the one hand, his character more than any other implies a straight-up dualistic moral choice: he literally has a different name as a good, unsullied guy (James Ford) and as a fallen con man and killer (Sawyer). But as “Recon” suggested, being good or bad is more than simply deciding to take a step to one side or the other of a bright dividing line. Instead, the attributes that make Sawyer/James “good” or “bad”—as, I would say, with Ben and the other characters—are always already present, and the question is what the character does with them.

In the alt timeline, James is a cop, but a cop with more than a little con man in him: he runs scams officially on undercover stings, and he’s still secretly pursuing revenge against Anthony Cooper. In the Island timeline, he’s a con man, but one whose ultimate goal is not just to save his own skin but his fellow survivors’, pulling double and triple crosses if he has to. In both timelines, he can use his “bad” elements for good, and his “good” attributes for bad, because in truth, they’re both manifestations of his true character.

In other words, it’s not a simple matter of choosing to be “good” or “bad,” and then having your character settled permanently. Your good and bad aspects are inseparable; they make you you. Rather, the question is whether you choose good or bad actions—a choice you have to make, over and over, all your life. You are always, potentially, the good cop and the bad cop; to entirely eliminate one of those parts of you would mean no longer to be a cop at all.

Because Josh Holloway plays the troubled rogue so well—The Rockford Files really missed an opportunity not casting him to star in the remake—his alt-timeline was, unsurprisingly, a treat. Yeah, we’ve seen him go this route before. (The title “Recon” was a nice pun, meaning both “reconnaissance” and “to con, again.”) But it was intriguing to see his story told from a different angle. The first shocker of alt-universe James was how unlike Sawyer he is; the second surprise was how much they had in common. And the parallels to Island life were a delight: the buddy-cop setup with fellow smartass Miles; his code word, “LaFleur”; and seeing a dressed-up Sawyer with a cleaned-up Charlotte, which is probably the most equal-opportunity, male-female hotness Lost has fit on a screen at one time. Rowrrr!

But Island-Sawyer’s choices were even more enjoyable to watch, since at the end he decided neither to align with Widmore or with Smokey but to play both off against each other. I don’t know where this season is going—and I’m glad I don’t—but as I said before, I hope it doesn’t come down in some way to whether the Losties choose “good” or “bad,” Smokey or Jacob (or Widmore). I want them to choose themselves, and each other.

In the end, I’m not rooting for any of the chess players who are trying to use our characters as pawns; I’m rooting for the pawns to fight back and not let themselves be played. And Sawyer is the perfect character to lead that fight, deciding to let Smokey and Widmore, hopefully, destroy each other in their little war, and escape in the chaos. That’s a choice I can get behind.

Now as to how the alt-timeline relates to all this? That’s the big question. Last week with “Dr. Linus,” I was thinking that each storyline showed the characters facing the same kinds of moral choices they had on the Island and in their flashbacks, but this time, they were breaking the patterns they had repeated so often. This week—with alt-James still seeking vengeance, then running into Kate at the end—I have another thought. What if the alt-storylines are each building toward the characters facing one last moral choice, one last chance to redeem themselves and be good or bad, and that choice will be informed by what they do in the Island’s Jacob-Smokey-war story?

(Or at least maybe that will be true of the characters who survive? In Ben’s alt-timeline he seems to already have made his final choice, for the good, which would support my theory that his Island timeline has “ended”—that is, that he’s going to die before the season is over.)

None of this answers the central question of how “real” each of the two timelines is and what relation they have to each other, but I’m willing to wait to find that out. Now for the hail of bullets:

* Amid this Sawyer-centric story were a lot of little moments that raised question about the other characters. Claire, for instance: do we believe that she’s really suddenly contrite about attacking Kate, or is she putting on a show?

* Smokey-Locke: for all his menace and manipulation, he also came across as something of a protective father figure to his band of survivors. Of course, that doesn’t mean we should believe him, but do you still consider him the bad guy (if you ever did)? Is he simply an amoral guy (animal? thing? cloud?) in, as he calls it, a “kill or be killed” situation? And who the hell is his “mother”?

* Sayid: He had the briefest of moments, but a disturbing one, responding vacantly to Kate just before Claire tried to kill her, then reacting not at all during the attempt. After his “resurrection,” is there any Sayid left in there?

* Kate: She came to the Island in the hopes of returning Aaron’s mother to him and found a crazy woman playing Mommy to a Crazy Fake Baby Doll. Evangeline Lilly did a good job in a few scenes of showing Kate trying to feel out what her purpose is now.

* I think I said in last week’s podcast with Mo Ryan and Ryan McGee that this last season of Lost has had the feel of a Survivor finale to me—specifically, the requisite bit in which the finalists revisit the monuments to their fallen comrades and relive the challenges of the past season. There’s been a lot of revisiting monuments from the past here too, and I found Sawyer’s visit to Hydra Island oddly moving, considering how that part of season 3 is often considered one of the low points of Lost.

* This may mean nothing, but the crew that Widmore returned to the Island with seem to be a different type of expedition that Keamy and his mercenaries. Zoe and company remind me more of old-school Dharma Initiative types: i.e., nerdy yet dangerous, the most bad-ass group of graduate students you will ever meet.

* This, on the other hand, I’m pretty sure does mean something: who were all the dead people on Hydra Island? I don’t recall ever seeing that many passengers and crew on the Ajira flight, other than the characters whose whereabouts we already know.

* The episode gave us the return of Watership Down, which Sawyer was reading earlier in the series and is reading in the alt-timeline as James Ford. It’s been a while since I read it, but as I recall, it’s about a group of rabbits, struggling bloodily for survival after their warren is destroyed, who fall under the protection of leaders who turn out to be despots, and end up rejecting them. I’m hoping that this is what the Losties end up doing with Smokey/Jacob/Widmore—that they tell the big men to go screw themselves with their stupid power games, and take charge of their own destiny. Maybe they will. On the other hand, toward the end of “Recon,” Kate is cooking rabbit.

* The LAPD really lets you have sex on undercover sting operations? Best recruiting argument ever.

* Finally: “Here’s the thing, Dimples…” The nicknamer has been nicknamed!

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  • dholton

    While reading your comments, and thinking about what this kinder, gentler Smocke had said, it suddenly occurred to me to wonder if somehow, the Man in Black isn’t some alternate timeline version of a grown up Aaron. A timeline where his mother, Claire, was still crazy and raised him, then got caught in a crazy island timeloop with Jacob.

    It might explain why the Aussie psychic in the first season was so insistent about having Claire take her child to the US to be adopted. To break the smoky cycle. Also, explains why Smocke does seem to want to take care of Claire, but still able to slap her hard to bring her to her senses.

  • Kemper

    Small piece but may turn out huge later. Smokey Locke telling Sawyer that they’re going to use the plane to leave the island felt like a big puzzle piece snapping into place. I guess we finally know for sure that Sawyer and Kate were doing slave labor on a runway. Which also means that Ben had been conned into doing a lot more of Smokey’s bidding than just stabbing Jacob.

    Oh, and they need a pilot. I see a battle for Lapidus coming.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants the characters to call shenanigans on the whole Jacob/Smokey war. Whether these two think they’re doing what they’re doing for good, evil, survival, etc, they’ve both shown that to them people are just pieces in a game to be moved around and even done away with. For me, that level of apathy is the worst evil you can find and I’d like to see a wrench thrown in the whole thing. I also agree that Sawyer is the perfect character to throw it, though I’m rooting for Jack to do the same.

  • treepeony

    I’m a big Sawyer fan so when I realized this was a Sawyer episode I was very happy. Josh Holloway could just stay shirtless for the rest of the season as far as I’m concerned.

    What really struck me about this episode is how discordant (is that a word?) Sawyer’s Alt-Timeline life was with the other Alt-Timeline lives (with perhaps the exception of Sayid and Jin it looks like). Jack has managed to overcome some of his father issues by the skin of his teeth, Locke is accepting that there are things he can’t do, Ben chose Alex’s happiness and future over his own power and Sawyer is still hunting down Anthony Cooper? I mean, that just doesn’t jive with the koombaya flow of AlternaWorld. At least that’s what I feel right now, having not seen the whole season. Is it possible that Anthony Cooper is going to turn out to be somebody other than Locke’s father? Or is Sawyer going to kill Anthony Cooper in AlternaWorld and that will be the catalyst that some how either merges the two worlds or ends one world so the other can live or…

    I have to agree with you James that Sayid was VERY creepy and bizarre. I don’t think he’s the Sayid we’ve followed and loved for the past five years. He feels hollow now, as if the poison really did kill him from the inside out. I don’t think anything phases him now. Especially not a Claire/Kate cat fight.

    And speaking of Claire, and I know this might be my sappy romance loving squishy side talking but, I really hope Claire did mean it when she apologized to Kate. The Island has done horrible by Claire and while I know that people get used by other people in real life, I’m rooting for Claire to get some well deserved justice by the end of the season. I don’t know if she’ll survive to reunited with Aaron but I think she deserves to get some vengence on whoever it was that tricked her into her leaving her baby and becoming the crazy lady that she has now become.

    Also, is it just me or did Zoe look an awful lot like Laura Roslyn from BSG?

    AND WHY WON’T ANYBODY ASK SMOKE-LOCKE WHAT HIS NAME IS? This is so frustrating! Hurley would have asked four episodes ago!

    But over all it was a great episode! I can’t wait to see next week’s!

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Re Smokey/Aaron: that did occur to me, but I assumed that the way he discussed it (specifically saying that now Aaron *also* has a crazy mother) precludes he and Aaron being the same person/being. I know, I know, I should not be assuming anything.

  • treepeony

    My thought as well on the needing a pilot/battle for Lapidus. I’m amazed by Sawyer’s chutzpah but I would imagine that piloting a sub is a LOT harder than a plane.

  • macevangelist

    All the Best Cowboys Have Mommy Issues

    Elisabeth Sarnoff and Jim Galasso know their pop culture.
    Nice to see how cop Jim gets from Indy to Bullit to Little House…
    I would have expected to find some Deadwood DVD boxes in his condo somewhere, next to Watership Down. I will not repeat myself about LOST B, but with only 8 weeks to go I am still convinced that what we see is the happy ending and the result of the actions happening in LOST PRIME right now. And I hope I’m wrong. (The only question I have about LOST B this week is… why did we have to see Charlies brother?)

    So after 5 seasons of heros with daddy issues, here comes the kicker: Smokeys mother was crazy! Now all we have to do is look up the list of greek deitys with mother issues, and we know the name of our favorite ManInBlack. And maybe we throw in a couple of Pharaohs, for good measure. So maybe Jacob was Imhotep, and Smokey was Djoser. But that is just a wild guess. But it was touching to see Locke opening up to Kate, and how honest he was about Sawyers mission to Hydra, and manipulating Claire. Of course he is the main suspect for killing all these Ajira 316 passengers. Which leads us to sweet innocent Zoe. Widmore never stops to amaze me with his hand for henchgirls in sexy eyeware. Must be a british thing. Her guys with guns strangely reminded me of Bram and his folks. Good to see that they thought of bringing a sonic fence with them, maybe that works better than rings of ash. And the secret weapon, stashed away in that U-Boot locker. Maybe some cases of McCutcheon, or our laddy Desmond Hume. I still wonder who will get shot by Juliet from that outrigger race… right now my guess is poor Zoe.

  • Bob Timmermann

    Charles Widmore is obviously part of some government program to give jobs to well-educated henchmen. Or I suppose in this case henchpeople.

    How does he recruit them all? Ads in the Chronicle of Higher Ed? Henchmen Monthly? Craigslist?

  • archstanton68

    I’d think the plane would be much, much harder to pilot. In the sub, they could just use it as a regular boat and never bother with diving. There is no such option with the plane.
    .
    Also, my personal take is that once Sawyer saw the plane, he knew Smokey was lying, because that plane is never taking off again. They have no way of turning it around, The runway is too short (and sandy, slowing them down) to take off, and it’s fairly damaged. We saw it crash into the jungle, and we know the cockpit window is broken. Not to mention the fuselage damage Sawyer saw, which will be an issue if they ever tried to pressurize it. Finally, it’s been sitting in a tropical jungle for a while (a couple weeks?), which is not going to be conducive to the engines working, assuming they didn’t get damaged by debris in the crash.

  • cross1

    Smocke as future/past/other dimension Aaron still is a possiblility when you consider how he referred to the Smoke coming to the temple when speaking to the Others. When Sawyer confronted him, he probably figured he couldn’t con a con and explained that he is the Smoke Monster. In Kate’s case, he may have figured that she couldn’t catch the lie or half truth.

    That said, I have no clue how this would work as my accountant brain can’t really compute physics and time loops.

  • JCRHoo

    Doesn’t Occam’s Razor suggest Fake Locke’s crazy mother is simply Real Locke’s mother, played by Swoosie Kurtz in “Deus Ex Machina”? We’ve seen before there is some interplay between the Smoke Monster and Locke’s real memories?

  • macevangelist

    Locke tells Kate on the beach: “A long time ago… before I looked like this… I had a mother just like everyone. She was a very disturbed woman. And as a result of that, I had some growing pains. Problems that I’m still trying to work my way through.”

    No way this is about Lockes mother, it’s going way back into ancient times and the reason why Smokey got locked away on the Island, with Jacob as his prison guard.

  • sunnysbud

    “I would imagine that piloting a sub is a LOT harder than a plane.”

    Well, there is an entire crew on that sub that can pilot it for them. Stick a gun in their faces and tell them to go…

  • lfchokie

    Maybe I have the completely wrong idea, but when smoke monster Locke talked about having a crazy mother and wanting to stop Claire from being the next one, I thought of Rousseau. Rousseau seems to be the character that Claire is patterned off of and didn’t we see Alex when Ben visited the smoke monster in his (its?) temple last season?

  • rhys1882

    There were lots of other people on the Aijirra flight. We just barely saw them in a few scenes after the flight first crashed before the main characters took off on their own and we forgot about them. Sayid, Hurley, Jack, and Kate time traveled off the plane. Then Ben, Sun, and Lapidus first left the main survivors, then Lapidus went back. Ben killed Caesar. Ilana and three other “bodyguards” took Lapidus back to the main island. That’s 12 people total. There were more then 12 people on that flight. You can find screenshots of other passengers here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Background_cast/Ajira_Flight_316_survivors

    My guess is that Locke Monster killed the remaining survivors of 316.

  • Tom Shaw

    Is there any woman Sawyer can’t get somewhere in the multiverse? (Note to Lost writers: that is not an invitation for a Sawyer/alt-Hawking (or is it Widmore) hookup.) Hopefully alt-Charlotte will move on to alt-Daniel.

    Still no real clues on the nature of the alt-world. Though so far it seems like the Esau crew are far closer to their alt-natures than Jacob’s batch: Sawyer is still obsessed with revenge (just not as amoral in getting there), Sayid is still a killer, Kate is still on the run, whereas Jacob’s crew are noticeably changed.

    I don’t buy the reward / Season 7 theory – the big reveal of the finale is “All that alt-stuff you watched this season wasn’t pointless!”?
    Sure, you could take the division of alt-fates between the two camps to suggest that Jacob’s crew gets to move on as a reward while Esau’s is stuck in their old lives again, but I still think it suggests that the alt-world is their real nature, and that Jacob’s crew is worse off for his interfering in their lives – the real question being if that interference was for the greater good or not.

    No clue which was the Widmore stuff is heading. His knowing about John Locke tends to suggest that is not alt-Widmore, but that being alt-Widmore would make his denials of the various Other murders truthful. No idea who’s locked up in the sub, either – yes, someone has to be locked up in there, as A) why would Widmore need to protect something from a boat full of fanatics, and B) if it wasn’t to keep someone from escaping, why would it be locked from the outside?
    Still, there’s half a season left, which means the Esau vs. Widmore fight is likely not to be the finale – the true resolution of the alt vs. original worlds is still to come.

  • Tom Shaw

    I disagree, Locke wanted followers from the Temple and he just left the corpses where they died.

    The bodies are highly likely to be due to Widmore’s crew cleaning up on arrival, or if not that then the Hydra Others arriving and cleaning house.

  • profdante

    My guess for who’s locked up on the sub: Desmond — if only because there has to be a way for him to return to the island storyline, and because Widmore (and Eloise Hawking) presumably knows that Desmond still has something important to do. Of course, it was only a few days ago (right?) since Desmond got shot by Ben…

  • jeia56

    I’m fairly certain that these mommy issues that smokey has is an allusion to the biblical story of Jacob and Esau. After Jacob stole Esau’s inheritance from Isaac, Jacobs mother helped him to escape from Esau. You could say that their mother “sided” with Jacob. Also, I’m pretty sure that the statue that Jacob lived in was supposed to be the Egyptian god of motherhood…

    And how stoked is everyone for next weeks episode? I’m anticipating a mind-blowing of the highest degree.

  • thalasseri

    First, a confession: my weeks are focused on two things this season – that moment when the clock shows 8:00pm EST on Tuesday and I get to savor another episode of Lost – and the moment when James’ Lostwatch post finally shows up and I get to explore a whole new set of angles (thanks James and all the commenters!) I really don’t know what I’ll do when this season ends. I’ll probably have to buy tickets on non-existent airlines and fly endlessly between Guam and Sydney and LA …

    A couple of things stood out for me last night that I’m not sure the comments here have touched on so far. Perhaps because, while I enjoy Sawyer episodes far more than Jack or Kate ones, this whole trip has revolved around Locke for me (yes, even if someone else inhabits his skin).

    So, last night, Smokey Locke’s personality got additional touches of shading, bringing out into sharper relief what may be his essential humanity. If he’s a god-like creature (like a Greek or Egyptian deity), he sure didn’t seem that way last night. He seemed to completely believe Sawyer’s con, despite having earlier called him the best liar he’d ever met. His explanation of how he gave Claire something to hold on to (hate) had an aura of almost sophomoric manipulativeness (almost innocence) rather than Machiavellian or Olympian grandeur and scope. It seemed like we are being shown his limitations, maybe even his gullibility. So, yes, he can take a knife in the chest with absolute aplomb, he can turn into smoke and wreck a temple, and he can respond to Kate’s jab about being a dead man with the priceless response “Well, nobody’s perfect”.

    But, even after Jacob’s demise, it appears he can be held at bay by Widmore’s (well-educated :-) hench people with pylons and electromagnetic fields, he gets told what he can and cannot do by stray boys in the jungle, and he seems to need followers more desperately than they need his leadership. When he held out his hand to Kate to pull her up, it looked like he was hoping against hope not to be rejected. When he asks Sawyer, “_Charles_ Widmore?” (which other male Widmore might it have been?) it started to seem like the contest between the all-knowing Jacob and this not-entirely-sophisticated nemesis wasn’t completely fair.

    In short, Smokey Locke has way too many similarities with the “real” John Locke for one not to wonder who begat whom.

    The second point that I haven’t seen mentioned was Widmore’s interaction with Sawyer. I got the distinct impression that Widmore, perhaps the most Machiavellian character in all of Lost (other than Jacob himself or Ben at his peak) read Sawyer’s true intentions far better than Locke did, and knew the deal they shook hands on
    wasn’t worth a can of warm Dharma beer. His phrase, “It’s a shame, really” could have had many meanings, one being that Sawyer and the other Losties really had no clue what Widmore had been doing all this time.

    Ah well, another week to go before Tuesday … ;-)

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    I really don’t have much to say, I enjoyed this episode like all this season, but really, I’m just waiting for the Vincent sideways flash episode.

  • http://jimfromla.wordpress.com jimfromla

    Does anybody know the relationship between Charles Widmore and the Dharma Initiative?

    I could have sworn back in Season 1, the Oceanic survivors found an old reel film that stated Dharma was financed by Widmore. This was played up with a scene depicting Widmore executing an associate of Ben’s (representing the Others who were at odds with the Dharma). This seemed to be obscured when later we found out Widmore was an Other/Hostile. Right? Okay, and Widmore has the exact technology that will stop Locke/Smoke. Is this knowledge common to university types?

    If this is true, couldn’t that break down the whole understanding of just what Widmore is up to? I can’t help but see him as a major bombshell to the storyline.

    [Also I'm still sticking to my theory that Locke/Smoke is the "good guy" and Jacob is the one of questionable motives. Who the hell wants to be stuck on an island forever apparently keeping "evil" locke(d) up.]

  • macevangelist

    There is this funny moment between Kate and Locke when he cycles through some expressions and tries on that big smile for a second. If Smokey is stuck with Lockes form, maybe he is stuck with the remains of Lockes personality, too. Because we don’t know yet who Smokey really is, and how his shapeshifting works, we don’t know how he can access the residue of a dead person when he uses them as a sleeve. I wonder if he was still stuck in Titus Wellivers body while sitting in the cabin, and if this was his first sleeve body ever. I guess rather not, because I’m still convinced that Jacob and him go way back in history…

  • madmatt86

    I’m surprised nobody mentioned this before, but didn’t alt-Sawyer not only allow but actively help Kate to escape in the first episode of season 6? What a fine cop he is…

  • Dave

    I’m pretty sure Tom Shaw commented on this after the first episode. Sawyer recognized that she was a con, but probably either wanted to con her or wait till he understood the situation better before he outed her.

  • Dave

    So yesterday, I was home sick from work. Around noon, I realized that I hadn’t checked the Lostwatch. Instead of walking upstairs to the computer, I sat back and said, “Huh. Is there anything I’m really in a hurry to discuss?” Then I sat back and figured I’d comment when I was back at work (employee of the year!!!).

    That said, the episode really didn’t blow me away. More fake timeline blah-blah-blah, the character is different but still the same. The on-Island material wasn’t all that satisfying to me either. There were a few things that stuck out to me (most of which I’ll cover when I go up and reply to specific comments), but it just felt like a really weak episode to me.

  • Dave

    See, when Smokey confessed to Sawyer that he’s the homicidal pillar of black smoke, I suspected that it’s part of the rules that he has to follow. Have we seen Smokey lie directly to an active candidate? He lied to Claire, but we’ve seen Littleton crossed off. Was he lying to Locke when he told him he was special? I suppose being a candidate makes a person special. I’ll probably be pondering this all week :)

  • Dave

    A couple other points: it really blows me away that Smokey could be remotely considered a good guy. All he does is lie, deceive, and kill. “Oh, he’s trapped and has only been put in this situation where you have to kill!” Sorry, I don’t buy that. The Temple Massacre didn’t exactly look like self-defense. Plus, if it was something that had to happen, why lie to the redshirts about it?

    Also, I think that Claire really is repentant for attacking Kate. I think that, whatever the darkness inside is, this is a sign that it can be undone. Which is why Locke wants Kate to think that Claire’s still insane, even if he knows that he’s losing her. (It’s very possible that this is more of a hopeful theory, since I really, really don’t want this to be how Sayid finishes the series.)

  • gnatalby

    I thought Zoe was the poor man’s Tina Fey.

    The episode was fine, it didn’t blow me away, I’m getting bored of keeping Jin and Sun apart, it feels like a “will they won’t they” which is a device I’m bored with.

  • tracy5s

    My favorite thing after watching Lost every Tuesday is to read your blog on Wednesday. Thanks James!

    My second favorite thing is to read all of the comments and theories. While I don’t have a position on how this is all going to play out, I would be very disappointed if Claire was not truly repentant forgiving as we saw, which would mean hopelessness for Sayid. Sayid is one of my favorites and this would be an ill-fitted ending for such a great character.

  • rhys1882

    I just listened to the podcast with Mo Ryan, Ryan McGee, and Noel Murray and just came up with a theory. The Widmore who arrived on the island in the sub is from the sideways-verse. That’s why he doesn’t have a bunch of armed mercenaries with him and instead a bunch of grad students. He’s a different person now. He wasn’t banished from the island by Ben in that universe, he fled the island after the nuke went off. The sub they are on is the original Dharma sub, the sub that was taken by the others during the purge and blown up by Locke in the original timeline. Except now it wasn’t blown up and is still being used. And if the sub originally belonged to the Dharma initiative, maybe Widmore is a member of the Dharma initiative too which would be another reason he has a bunch of grad students with him instead of mercenaries. That’s why he says Sawyer has no idea what’s going on – because Sawyer is talking about events that did not happen in his timeline and Widmore probably knows that. Widmore is referencing the fact that Sawyer doesn’t know the real world timeline has been altered.

  • Tom Shaw

    I like this theory so much… I mentioned it last week! And again up above!

    The counterpoint would be that Widmore knew who Sawyer and John Locke were.
    It is possible that alt-Widmore remembered both of them – original-Widmore remembers Locke, and alt-Widmore may have Daniel’s book.
    But we haven’t definitively found out that anyone time travelled in the alt-Universe (I think they have, but we don’t know), which would be necessary for alt-Widmore to know who they were. Even if Widmore interrogated the Ajirans, they wouldn’t know either – Sawyer wasn’t on the plane and Locke was dead in storage.

    But your larger point stands – that being alt-Widmore (and the implication that The Island “landed” in the alt-world) raises a number of interesting possibilities.

  • http://jesharris.wordpress.com/ jesharris

    rhys, you are correct. A number of redshirts were in the economy-class cabin of Ajira 316. In “The Incident” (Season 5 finale), UnLocke tells Richard that after going to see Jacob, they must also “take care of” the other Ajira passengers. Richard asks what he means by that, and UnLocke tells him: “You know what I mean.”

    So I’m sure that Smokey, not Widmore, is responsible for the massacre of the Ajira passengers, whose corpses Sawyer found in “Recon.” This makes me think that Smokey, rather than Jacob, was also behind the directive that spurred Ben and the Others to “purge” the Dharma Initiative in 1992.

  • rhys1882

    Oops, didn’t see your post. Well, another issue is how did Widmore know where to find the dislodged Island and how did he know to come at that time? There is an implication that Widmore was told to come to the island at some point recently, possibly by Jacob. His expedition also seems to be aware that they need to protect against smokey by setting up pylons and they specifically went to the Hydra island instead of Otherville. Also, as an other and leader (or co-leader or whatever he was) he may have been privy to “the list”, so he may be aware of Sawyer and Locke as candidates. Then there’s the possibility that he somehow remembers the original timeline similar to when Desmond skipped in time, although it would seem awfully contrived that Desmond and Widmore share the same ability. (Still don’t think Widmore killed the Aijirra survivors, but his crew may have put all their bodies together to get them out of the way.)

  • http://www.thesmogger.com Michael

    This season inches along, and becomes more diluted and frustrating with each week. There needs to be some real resolution soon – and final answers. Or else, it will risk becoming completely irrelevant. http://thesmogger.com/2010/03/22/is-lost-lost-a-fans-confession/

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