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Lostwatch: Search and Destroy

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SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, pour yourself a big old scotch, put some pants on and go watch last night’s Lost.

“The time for questions is over,” said an ABC promo for Lost tonight. I doubt that is, or ever will be, true for Lost, but this was an installment filled with more answers—of a sort, anyway. (We know that Jacob made a list of potential “candidates” to replace him, but we don’t know why, exactly, or what the connection is with the numbers, which IDed Locke, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, and one or the other of the Kwons.) But I don’t think answers were why this was a satisfying installment of Lost; I think that did have to do with the continued fine work of Terry O’Quinn and Josh Holloway, now positioned to team up in a particularly dark buddy movie.

“The Substitute” sent us hurtling into the action on the Island courtesy of the SmokeyCam, which gave us a smoke’s-eye view of the Island as the Smokester hustled out in search of Richard. Smokey’s motivation, which we’re learning more about, stems from being imprisoned on the Island under some arcane set of rules, and he’s looking for help in getting sprung.

Now, to be honest, I’m a little concerned about Lost becoming too much a show about the conflict between Smokey and Jacob. Whatever, they are, God or mortal–Smokey says he was once a man–they’re interesting, but we’re not invested in them as characters. (O’Quinn is compelling as Smokey, but in the end, Locke is still rotting in a hole.) If Lost is revealed to be some big chess game between two ancient Manichean archetypes, well, that’s intriguing from a mythology standpoint, but it only matters to the extent that it ultimately becomes the story of the central characters.

And in “The Substitute,” O’Quinn’s Smokey made that happen in two ways: By throwing into relief his performance as the alternate Locke in 2004, coming gradually to believe in himself and–unlike the Locke we came to know–to accept his limitations, and by playing the foil to Holloway as Sawyer hit rock bottom, listening to the Stooges.

As for the larger 2004 storyline, we’re still waiting to see how that plays out and why we should be invested in it. It’s certainly intriguing to see how the various characters can have become different or the same–Ben, as a kind of history-teacher version of Walter White, Rose, back at home and having come to peace with her uncured cancer. And with this episode, and the emerging differences in the two timelines, the alt-2004 story feels stronger as a thematic device. Where the Locke of 2004  is finally coming to terms with the fact that, yes, there are some things that he cannot do, Smokey, having claimed Locke’s body, has also seemed to have internalized some of his self-defeating rage and frustration. But without knowing how real it all is, how permanent, or how it relates to Island time, it’s still just an interesting exercise.

That’s all right. One thing I’m glad to see about the final season so far is that Cuse and Lindelof have decided that their audience is all in: you’re either along for the ride or you’re not, and if you are, the rules of that ride are that it will take 16 full episodes to see how it plays out. But it’s definitely gaining momentum.

Now to the hail of bullets:

* Smokey’s encounter with the mystery boy in the jungle (a “forgotten boy,” as in the lyrics of “Search and Destroy”?) raises a big question: just who all does “the rule” apply to? Is Smokey also not allowed to kill Sawyer directly? (Does the rule apply to all the candidates? Did Ben do Smokey a favor by killing Locke, allowing him to be claimed?)

* Speaking of claiming, just what kind of claim does Smokey have on Locke? He’s taken his form, but he’s taken others as well—Alex and Yemi, for instance. Can Smokey assume the form of all the Island’s dead?

* Conspicuously missing from Jacob’s list of candidates was Kate–conspicuous, in particular, because Jacob had visited her earlier. What, exactly, did Kate do (if anything) to get herself off the list?

* “You sure ain’t John Locke… Locke was scared, even when he was pretending he wasn’t.” It seems like the Locke we’re seeing in alt-2004 is getting closer to losing his fear, and becoming comfortable with himself too; is the pattern of alt-2004 that each of the characters somehow manages to work out the inner conflicts they could not resolve on the Island? And what happens then?

* While Locke’s funeral seemed a bit of a throwaway scene at first, I was struck by Ben’s remorse at killing him, which makes me believe even more strongly that Ben ends the series with some Anakin Skywalker-like act of redemptive self-sacrifice. Also, set up that great Frank line: “Weirdest funeral I’ve ever been to.” (The thing I love about Frank is that he seems like a character visiting from some other show–like the pilot of the plane from Fantasy Island or something–and yet though he’s weirded out by events on the Island, he also takes them oddly in stride.)

* The cave writings—recalling the hatch etchings from “?”—recall one of the older mysteries on the show: Jacob’s “lists” of persons of interest to be collected. But this raises the question: were the six names remaining the only Candidates to begin with, or has a larger list of Candidates been narrowed down over time?

* Speaking of the cave: the scales with a black stone, and a white stone that Smokey picked up and threw into the sea? I’m guessing it represented some dualism between Jacob and Smokey which has now been thrown out of balance? But I don’t know! The symbolism was pretty subtle!

* In alt-2004, John’s back with Helen (Katey Sagal), who left him in the original timeline because he couldn’t let go his obsession with his father. It would be interesting to know what exactly changed here: Was Locke still crippled by his father? Was he simply able to put his father’s betrayals behind him? Or was his relationship with his father changed entirely?

* Dept. of Loose Strings: Hey, remember Charles Widmore? He’s still a factor out there, right? Does he have a dog in the Jacob-Smokey fight?

* Back to vacation. Feel free to fill in any tidbits I overlooked—consider yourself my substitute.

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  • chriskw

    Clearly the list used to be larger. They showed all the names that were crossed out. I couldn’t tell if Kate’s name was crossed off or not.

    Those ABC promos really annoy me. Lost is a mystery. It’s going to raise questions. Even the series finale will raise questions that will never be answered. Like Damon and Carlton have said, they’re not going to trace this back to the beginning of the universe.

    Michael Emerson was on Jimmy Kimmell last night and said that he still didn’t understand what was going on. Though he did hint that we might understand the purpose of the alternate world a little more soon.

    It really surprises how frustrated people are becoming with this season. In a little over three months the show will be over. So I am not going to even bother to stress out about answers.

  • Dave

    First and foremost, I loved this episode. I still don’t like the alternate timeline (though I’m hardly calling it a lost cause… I’m confident they’ll bring it around somehow or another), but this week it was so fun watching Locke in a happier life.

    I think this week revealed a hint of ignorance in Smokey. For one, he sure didn’t seem omnipotent at the feet of the boy (boy-Jacob? older-Aaron?). Also, I think he doesn’t entirely understand the candidate program. I think he knows more than he let on (Jacob just had a thing for numbers?), but it seems like there’s a part of the game that he doesn’t get. He reminds me of the White Witch from The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. So confident in apparent victory, yet there was something she didn’t understand at play.

    Someone on Sepinwall’s blog made the point about the names: they were using last names, so Sun/Jin isn’t the only ambiguous one. Yes, they strongly implied that Shepherd referred to Jack, but couldn’t it also refer, as a stretch, to Claire or Aaron? (I’m assuming that dying gets your name crossed off, so I’m not listing Christian.)

    I think seeing Richard scared set the tone of fear for me a lot better than everyone in the Temple going into lockdown mode. Nestor Carbonell really sold the scared-stupid part.

    Finally, one minor detail: I don’t think the SmokeyCam at the start was looking for Richard. I think he was scouting out New Otherton to see if anyone was around for him to recruit, and he just put Richard into the trap to keep him from running away while his attention was elsewhere.

  • gmiverson

    Solid show last night. In response to Locke’s relationship with his father, it almost certainly has to have changed. When Helen was listing off people to invite to the smaller, more intimate wedding she listed Locke’s father as one to invite. Locke’s seeming non-revulsion of the idea seems to indicate that his relationship is much improved.
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    I’m also leaning more towards another reason for Locke’s paralysis, perhaps a car accident or he accidentally fell rather than being pushed.

  • Dave

    Also, if anyone is curious, Lostpedia already has a make-shift list going of Candidates lifted from screen caps. Interesting stuff.

  • Tom Shaw

    Not a lot to say this week, because even I don’t know how things are going to shake out. Things I am nearly certain on:

    1) When Esau & Sawyer get back to the outside world, it won’t be their timeline, it’ll be the alt-timeline. That world is going to become more important than “compare & contrast time” shortly.

    2) The ghostly kid was Jacob, but so was the subject of his sentence. As a wise man recently said, “that wasn’t him, that was just his body”. Jacob’s body may be dead, but his followers, his beliefs, and his history live on. And there’s no guarantee he can’t borrow another body either.

    3) Helen mentioned that they should invite John’s father to their elopement. Original Sawyer never crippled John, yet John is crippled nonetheless. I guess it is his destiny.

    4) There were a lot of additional names there – and interestingly, they weren’t limited to 815. I know I saw a Goodspeed on there, and a Chang as well (though I suppose that could refer to Miles, if you stretch it).
    I suppose it is possible Littleton is Aaron, and Kwon is Ji-Yeon, but I don’t think the show will introduce yet another time period’s history to cover as well. Besides, having adult Ji-Yeon show up kills the tragedy no one has realized – now that the Island is (probably) in the alt-world, Sun & Jin will never see their daughter again.

    ( http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cliffside_cave for those who don’t want to run the frame-by-frame themselves.)

    5) Search & Destroy is so perfect it’s not funny. Nuclear a-bomb indeed.

    6) European history? Would have figured North African. Still, given that Jacob & Esau appear to be Euros, that will come in handy. And heck, maybe alt-Charlotte will show up to give the Tunisian exposition she couldn’t last year.

    And, of course, it is now clear that the Alt-Island didn’t instantly sink after The Incident – they had time to evacuate.

  • http://ewstephe.blogspot.com ewstephe

    One thing I’m curious about is how Sayid’s being “claimed” plays into this Jacob v. Smokey battle. We know he’s a candidate, but the Temple crowd was so freaked by his illness that they obviously don’t think he’s claimed by Jacob. But if Smokey’s behind it, he doesn’t seem to know he’s gotten to Sayid. I wonder if perhaps it’s the island’s way of eliminating candidates, meaning that Claire and the French woman might have been candidates at one time.

  • Dave

    I really don’t like the idea that the only off-Island world is the world we’re seeing in 2004. Would the showrunners really throw out 5 seasons of the plot and storytelling that doesn’t have to do with the people still on the Island? (I’m thinking specifically of Widmore and Ben’s feud, but also there’s Des/Penny/Charlie, Aaron, and Ji Yeon.)

  • Dave

    Another discussion point: how much can we trust Smokey?

    And that leads to a flurry of questions we don’t know any answers to… was that his cave or Jacob’s? Does he really know anything about the candidates, or just that they exist, and he assumes that it means candidates to replace Jacob? How much does he know about the numbers attached to the names? How much does he understand about the numbers attached to the names?

  • http://salvationcomes.wordpress.com Paul

    this is my first comment and I don’t read all the comments all the time so this is probably repeating people, but….

    Remember one of the lost promo pics where the table was divided in half by locke and each half was staring at each other. Could those be the teams that will eventually formed? That would be Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Claire, Ilana, and Richard on one side and Jake, Ben, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Frank, and Miles.

    What puts 6 on one side (often referred to as the number of evil or imperfection) and 7 on the other (the perfect number).

    Just interesting…

  • madmatt86

    Funny, now we know the meaning of the numbers, but that still doesn’t explain how they got on a 30 year old computer :D
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    My wild guesses about Kate not making it on the list: She’s female, Jacob and Smokey are males, so is everybody else left on the list (provided Kwon stands for Jin). Some obvious sexism here, that makes this theory unlikely imo.
    The other would be that Kate murdered somebody. With all the “arcane rules” that seem to evolve around killing or not killing, Kate is the only one charged with murder. Not sure about this, but the kills of the others were more or less self-defense, right? While self-defense is also one of the loop-holes for Smokey to kill. Or at least they didn’t kill before they came on the island (Sawyer killing Locke’s father comes to mind)
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    The alt-2004 timeline is somehow even weirder than all the mystical stuff happening in 2007. They all seem down-to-earth. And happy. The question would be if that’s all that’s to it, showing an alternate reality where everybody gets happy (and isn’t “LOST” anymore) or we’ll get one hell of a crashdown for all participants.

  • shara says

    Sawyer killed somebody in Australia (remember, he was used by the guy who told him that he was killing the OG Sawyer, and then found out that he had been used).

  • Dave

    For the record, I don’t think we know anything about the numbers yet. I don’t think Smokey understands much regarding the numbers, and what he understands, I think he underestimates.

  • rosseau

    We’ve finally found the Lost spinoff. Ben Linus is a tough, punctilious, fussbudget high school teacher of European History. John Locke is a laid-back, take everything in stride sub at the same high school. See how the two opposite personalities clash in the staff room and, when there are budget cuts, force one to share an apartment with the Other. WIll they kill each other or wind up as best friends? Find out in The Lost Couple (okay, that one was bad, but it’s early in the morning and I really want to see Michael Emerson in that look playing a teacher in a high school TV drama.)

    I liked this episode. Seeing the characters in the alt-timeline, especially Hurley and Rose was great. It seems sickness or injury cannot be obviated in a fresh reality. Hurley taking charge and having a lot more confidence was great. Rose accepting her cancer and also taking charge was great. It seems the characters will still meet each other, which sets up something big in the other universe and gives the two realities much more meaning.

    Was the kid Jacob? Like if you kill him, another sprouts up but goes through rapid aging. So why did Jacob need one of the gang to replace him if he already is getting to be a growing boy? And I don’t think unLocke needs anybody else to leave the island. Maybe his plan is to systematically kill all of the potential candidates. Was Sayid’s name crossed out? And what does Richard have to do with all of this? Good episode all around.

  • rosseau

    I think I just answered my own question. The candidates aren’t there to replace Jacob; they’re there to kill Smokey. Jacob is the once and future guardian of the Island. Perhaps once unLocke dies, really dies, Jacob can be set free, like Aladdin’s genie.

  • Chaddogg

    Fascinating episode, and another in a series of tour de force performances by Terry O’Quinn and Josh Holloway. A bunch of thoughts:

    1) Let’s start with the cave and the numbered list of candidates. First, I think it’s fascinating that Kate’s name isn’t up there — she and Sawyer tied pretty much for the youngest person “Jacob” touched in the Season 5 finale. So why no Kate Austen? Are Jacob/MIB working solely with men in some type of gender-biased game of passing on inheritances/protectorate duties? Does this increase or decrease Kate’s importance? (Personal theory time — the MIB’s fatal mistake is not thinking about Kate, who will ultimately come to sacrifice herself — staying to face judgment, instead of running — to save her friends and bring down the MIB. This will, of course, ruin the whole Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle….but good for the writers if they make Kate the heroine, rather than Jack or Sawyer as the hero).

    2) Related to Kate’s absence on the candidate list, I’m curious about why candidates get “crossed out.” One rationale idea is that certain candidates are dead…but that doesn’t work, right? I mean, we saw “Littleton” on the board, which presumably meant Claire, who is decidedly NOT dead. (Ditto Aaron, who it also could have meant). There are two Kwons (Jin and Sun), but only one listing. And what of Ilana, Lapidus, Miles?

    Here is my absolutely radical theory — the cave is not Jacob’s lair, but the lair of the Man in Black. As people who Jacob “touched” are either killed or “claimed” by the Man in Black, he can cross them off. Thus, when he gets to the cave, he throws out the white rock (Jacob) because he’s dead, showing that the balance of the island has shifted to the MIB’s side. He crosses off Locke’s name (because Locke is dead), and Littleton was crossed off awhile ago because MIB somehow corrupted Claire when she went missing/started hanging with Christian Shephard in Season 4. Perhaps Sayid’s name should be crossed off (if he was indeed “corrupted” or “claimed”), but the MIB doesn’t know that (because he is blind to what happens in the temple due to the ash circle), and thus cannot cross his name off. As for Sawyer himself….well, let’s get to him in a minute.

    3) That brings us to another interesting question: 23-Shephard. Does this signify Jack….or Christian? If the MIB was using Christian’s body to lure Claire, maybe he was doing the same thing way back when to lure Jack (be it to the caves, or elsewhere)?

    4) Back to Sawyer….I’m agreeing with Doc Jensen at EW.com on this one — he’s playing a long con with the MIB. I firmly believe Sawyer knows what he’s doing, and knew that if he didn’t go along with the MIB’s/Fake-Locke’s plan, he’d be dead. So instead, he’s “playing along”…not too overtly or without protest (hence the pulling the gun stunt, and demanding answers), but just enough to make it look like he’s on the side of MIB while actually setting him up for a fall/learning his fatal flaw.

    More in a minute….

  • jtoots212

    Good looks!

    -My thought is that the boy was either Jacob or Aaron… I’m dying to see Aaron come back in some way. The build up from the psychic was just too much for me to let go.

    -In the alt. reality, one possibility is that everyone somehow ends up back on the island, which may be their true destiny.

    -I didn’t pick up on Kate’s name missing or if Sayid was even on the wall… curious.

    GREAT episode!! Much more satisfying than last week’s.

  • Gillian

    Did anyone else find the 2004 scenes with Locke and Helen to be really moving? I’ve always had a complicated relationship with Locke’s character, but seeing him in the bathtub picking out chair fabrics and trying to come to terms with his limitations at the dining room table with Helen were such simple and beautiful scenes after all the terrible things he’s been through in the original timeline.

    I definitely agree that the cave is actually Smokey’s, and not Jacobs, but I’ll have to watch the scene for other clues. Someone mentioned “Jacob’s ladder” and the ladders to get down to the cave, but that will take more thought. I think there are also probably other clues to whose lair it really is in the shots of the cave, but I’ll have to go back and watch them. I also love love the idea of Sawyer pulling the long con on Smokey right now, as heartbroken as he is. Sawyer is too smart to believe him completely.

    Is it possible that “Kwon” actually refers to BOTH Jin and Sun as one unit? When Jacob visited them at their wedding, he embraced/touched them at the same time.

    Finally, I wonder if Kate’s absence from the list is somehow related to her mission or purpose to figure out what happened to Claire, and that maybe she has some sort of different purpose or destiny than the others who have numbers. Doesn’t seem too likely, but maybe there is something there. Obiviously Smokey and Jacob are both familiar with Kate, so I’m trying to figure out what is different about her other than just that she is a woman.

  • profdante

    Concerning this:
    “Speaking of claiming, just what kind of claim does Smokey have on Locke? He’s taken his form, but he’s taken others as well—Alex and Yemi, for instance. Can Smokey assume the form of all the Island’s dead?”

    I realize this theory may not be original to me, but it occurs to me that Smokey may only be able to assume the forms of people who are dead on the island — but not buried. Neither Alex nor Yemi were buried, as far as I can recall — and obviously neither Christian Shephard or Locke were either (or, in Locke’s case, at least not until later) although both died off the island. I’m just thinking about the Others’ (Amy?) insistence that the dead bodies be buried — this would presumably prevent Smokey to take their form and fool you, must like he’s doing with Locke now.

  • byhamj

    I thought this was a solid episode, although of course it doesn’t answer the questions that we all have. They have a whole season to do that.

    I also think that Sawyer throughout all the years has been a good judge of character on the island. He has typically trusted the right people at the right times. So for him to be “following” (used very lightly) Smokey now is interesting to me. The whole ladders falling off the mountain was a little dramatic, I thought. Especially because it leads to one question… How are they going to get back up? :) Maybe smokey will fly them up…

    I do like the 2004 Locke story line. I feel like he is getting a little redemption there.

  • Chaddogg

    Nice thought, athough that creates one question/paradox — if burying someone means Smokey can no longer take their form, why was Ilana ready to leave Locke unburied? And why did she stay he couldn’t change forms again (she said something like this)?

  • Chaddogg

    Time for a crazy theory:

    Sawyer’s Three Options: I thought the fact that the Locke-ness Monster presented Sawyer with THREE options was very significant. I think we as the audience would have easily assumed what two of them were going to be — (1) take over for Jacob as protector of the island, or (2) help Fake-Locke and get off of the island.

    But the THIRD choice is what is interesting to me: just watch and see how it plays out. Why was that presented as an option? I think (theory time) this has EVERYTHING TO DO with the Season 5 finale. “They fight, they destroy, they corrupt” by the MIB….and, maybe more importantly, Rose and Bernard’s viewpoint in the finale (essentially “Why don’t you people give it a rest? You’re always looking for something to fight for or against”).

    In other words, as we’ve seen many times in Lost, the absolutes (faith v. science, good v. evil, fate v. free will) never fully explain anything, and zealotry in pursuit of any one perspective can be downright dangerous. To borrow from War Games (and the words of its own biblically-named computer, Joshua): “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

    I think, ultimately, the CORRECT move for the Losties will be to NOT play in the battle between Jacob and MIB. Instead, they need to realize that people are not pawns, and that you cannot “use” other people.

    I think that is what we’re playing towards, too, in the flash-sideways alt-2004 world — seeing these characters act not out of manipulation (using other people as means to an end) but rather out of concern and compassion (accepting certain limitations, but helping/trusting each other out of concern). Thus, Kate turns back to help Claire out of compassion, because she regretted/did not want to merely “use” her as a hostage shield. Locke accepts the loss of his legs (and stops lashing out at people who are trying to help him/protect him from greater harm), and is given love by Helen and finds a better job where he can help students. And I think as each character in alt-2004 “learns” that lesson, their “candidacy” on the Island ends — adding a time element to this. Jacob and MIB NEED to find someone who does NOT have their alt-life changed for the better off island…and so far, they’ve struck out.

  • Dave

    I’ve been suspecting/assuming the same thing. Perhaps once Smokey uses the body of a candidate, he can’t use anyone else’s (though that would mean it wasn’t Smokey when Alex confronted Ben). Or maybe more likely, now that Jacob is dead, he’s stuck with that one. Or maybe there’s just Deeper Magic that we don’t understand at play :) I also think that’s why it didn’t matter that they buried John.
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    This is the same reason why I’ve been calling him Smokey and not MiB… I think the Man in Black was just another unburied body from the Island (Adam perhaps?) that Smokey used, not the original person that Smokey once was (if he was actually a human being at one time).

  • Dave

    See, I was thinking that there were more choices available to Sawyer, but Smokey wanted to manipulate him into either doing nothing or leaving with him (since he knew Sawyer wouldn’t like the idea of taking over for Jacob as Smokey described him).
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    For instance, another option for Sawyer would be to actively try to help someone else succeed Jacob. Or he could actively combat Smokey without attempting to succeed Jacob. Or he could sneakily pretend to play along with the intention of conning Smokey in the end ;)

  • http://patmando.wordpress.com patmando

    If alt-reality Locke has a good relationship with his father, was he the con man of the original storyline? What are the implications for James Ford. Wasn’t Locke’s father the con-man who caused Ford’s dad to kill his wife (James’s mother)? If so, does James Ford ever become Sawyer?

  • That Guy

    Seeing Richard’s face all I truly know is that Smokey is not a good guy. Not even remotely.

  • capabilitybob

    Just a quick thought,

    alt-Locke seemed happy, but did anyone consider the fact that Helen might die on him soon? When Locke left the island to get the oceanic six, he visited her grave. alt-Rose still has cancer, alt-Locke himself is still in a wheelchair. I’m scared for Helen.

  • meg7

    Hi,
    won’t claire be littleton and not shephard….her father is Christian but she never took his last name….
    :)

  • meg7

    I was wondering what people thought about llana’s comment to Ben – that smokey is stuck being Locke……
    It can’t be just the need for more dead bodies as there are plenty of those on the island and supposedly smokey has taken other forms before…..

  • lylebot

    “The Incident” established that Sawyer’s parents got conned and died in 1976. If the timelines diverged in 1977, he’d still have had that experience.

    Also, Sawyer is the only one that Jacob touched before 1977. I wonder if that is significant.

  • esaujacob

    There’s no Kate’s name because Kate is going to marry James. Just my guess.

  • dwhitcomb

    Jacob and UnLocke are every episode moving closer to the God vs. Satan story. Jacob is all about people having a choice and UnLocke always wants to manipulate and is out for his own gain (getting home).

    Love the idea of Sawyer pulling the Long Con on fake Locke.

    I also believe that Kate’s name isn’t written on the wall on purpose. Jacob wants to hide the fact that Kate is a candidate from UnLocke. He needs to retain some element of surprise.

    Also, it seems that Jacob went all in with these six candidates. For some reason he thinks that they will be the ones through which “it only ends once”. Everything before these people was “progress”.

    Loved the episode and can’t wait for the next one.

  • macevangelist

    So Ben is a teacher in timeline B. And like Jean-Luc Picard he likes Earl Gray. Or he likes Locke for liking that flavor of tea. Ben teaches European History, I like that, being european and all. But what does it mean? Did his mother never die giving borth to him, and his father never spiralled down that road of drunk and violence, and they never met the Goodspeeds and went to the Island?
    Matthew Fox said about season six that about a third of the way through the season both time lines will be “solidified into one time” and there will be one linear time throughout the story on the island with no more flashbacks. With the speed timeline Lost B evolves I start to wonder if that will really happen. We see a lot of crossings in B, now that John met Hurley, and even Rose. I wonder if the flashsideways show us the happy ending that will be the product of everything that will happen from now on till may 23 in Lost Prime. Time moves slow in Lost B, John has a new job and will not call Jack anytime soon, Claire will have Aaron. Looks not like collapsing timelines to me.
    Really awesome moment in Lost Prime: Ben at the grave. Followed by another priceless comment of Mr. Lapidus. The climbing down to the cave was nice, and Sawyers encounter with poor frightened Richard was proof enough that candidate Ford was not ready to switch to the dark side yet. The cave with the scales and the candidates names on the ceiling reminded me of Myst, the Miller brothers game from 1994. The episodes name was genious again, covering Lockes new job as well as Jacobs efforts of finding a replacement.

  • shara says

    @lylebot – good catch! I hadn’t even thought about that.

  • olivececile

    Sayid has killed many, many people.

  • olivececile

    I really like that idea. The finale would be everyone just sitting down to a nice cup of Earl Grey and having a chillax.

    Really, though, that would be thematically lovely and would take some of the pressure off of the mythology in terms of providing all of the viewer satisfaction.

  • lynneking

    I totally agree with your statement about the look on Richards face, it was pure terror! Rarely can an actor convey such raw emotion with just a look! Now I GUESS It’s possible that MIB/Smokey is the good guy and Jacob the bad guy (and that would be a wonderful plot twist), BUT I truly cannot fathom how that could come to be. I am of the opinion that MIB/Smokey is what they have always portrayed him to be, a MONSTER. I cannot trust a immortal pillar of smoke that kills and/or the guy who got Ben to kill Jacob.

  • jayne1365

    MIB made such a big deal out of wanting to “go home”. He even made comments to Jacob about it. It makes me think that when MIB goes off island with Sawyer, it will force the timelines to merge because they will be messing with some laws of physics.

    Will Eloise Hawking made a reappearance(or Daniel for that matter)? Their storyline was made to sound dire. Does Juliet’s setting off the bomb(the division of the timelines) fix the problem or does it even have anything to do with what’s going on between Jacob and unLocke?

  • dholton

    I was re-watching the episode last night, and noticed something during sideways Locke’s bath scene. The coffee cup he’s drinking out of is half-white, half-black.

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