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How NBC Gave Conan His Groove Back

NBC and Conan O’Brien have finally signed the deal making the host’s split from the Tonight Show after this week official. You can read the details here. The question I want to ask this morning—and there are a lot of questions going forward from here—is: was shafting O’Brien on the Tonight Show the best thing NBC could have done for him? And did the network just spend $40 million-plus to develop a talent for another network?

OK, those of you who do not appreciate looking at a video of The Masturbating Bear atop this post may not think O’Brien got shafted at all. I do, and I’ve written enough about that, but one thing I think we can agree on is that Conan’s Tonight ratings were weak.

What if Conan existed in another universe, one where NBC didn’t screw up its primetime schedule and have to immediately move Jay Leno—to avoid a (possibly bigger) payout to Leno, to keep the affiliates from rebelling and to get a headache out of the way for its buyer Comcast? What if, in that universe, NBC gave Conan the three years or so that it gave Jay to turn around his own ratings when he took over Tonight  from Johnny Carson?

Conan might have turned it around. Or he might have just puttered along. He might have fallen into a groove—as he did after an awkward beginning at Late Night. Or he might never have figured out how to get comfortable in the mass-market time slot. And a couple years from now, he might have gotten axed anyway, without the argument that he didn’t get enough of a chance.

We’ll never know. What I do know is that in the last two weeks, Conan’s been on fire. Cast as the underdog, with nothing to lose, his comedy has been sharp and true to his identity, and he’s been killing in the ratings, blowing away David Letterman in the 18 to 49 demo that ad rates are based on.

Now, obviously the ratings are the result of publicity. Sort of. It’s unlikely he would have sustained this rise had NBC had a change of heart and kept him at Tonight. On the other hand, Jay Leno has gotten just as much attention out of this fiasco, and his ratings have been mostly flat; David Letterman has been making headlines by whaling on Leno with gusto, but he hasn’t gotten a similar boost.

Temporary or not, in other words, NBC has just provided a massive new sampling, an underdog-hero image and a potential future following in a valuable demo group—to a guy they’re paying millions to go somewhere else. I don’t know if Fox is going to offer Conan a show, but if they were interested two weeks ago, they have to be a hell of a lot more interested now. Well played, NBC.

Coupled with the ratings is that Conan’s Tonight Show has simply been better to watch. He’s always been better at absurd, off-the-wall humor than topical, off-the-headlines comedy. The past two weeks, though, have shown how acute Conan’s comedy can be when it’s also about something.

This was also true of David Letterman: he started out as the guy who liked to drop objects off tall buildings, but he developed into a cutting, even impassioned, exposer of all things phony. Conan’s woes at NBC have given him a target and a focus, and I don’t know when I expect to see a funnier late-night sketch than him dressing up the world’s most expensive car like a mouse in order to waste $1.5 million of NBC’s money.

NBC could argue that if that guy had been on stage for the last seven months, they wouldn’t be in this situation. Maybe, maybe not. In any case, they’ve now put that guy on stage, doing an audition for a possible direct competitor. (The one saving possibility for NBC in all this: Conan could well cut much more into Letterman’s audience than he would into Leno’s.)

I don’t honestly know what’s next for Conan, but if he gets something valuable out of his ouster, it’s not the eight-digit payout. It’s knowing how good he can be when he does work he believes in—and makes every show like he believes it could be his last.

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  • charlieromeobravo

    Last night’s highlight for me was the sports car dressed as a mouse set to the tune of Satisfaction. Total price to the network: $1.5 million. I’d say the last several nights are the best Conan I’ve ever seen. The role of merry prankster attacking the establishment really works for him.

    Jay on the other hand is getting uglier and uglier. Granted, Letterman hasn’t been particularly kind to him but Jay’s joke “How do you get Letterman to ignore you? Marry him and he won’t even be able to look you in the eye” or something similar. I wonder that Jay’s ratings will be like when he gets back to the Tonight Show at 1130?

  • deconstructiva

    Is the Masturbating Bear Conan’s property or NBC’s? When Conan goes to FOX (or ABC? Put Nightline out of its misery, please) can he bring his classic characters with him?

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    Dunno. That’s one of those contract details that presumably will come to light after the official announcement is made. But keep in mind NBC “kept” Letterman’s intellectual property, and he basically just renamed all his bit and kept doing them.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    I don’t like making ratings predictions, because I suck at them. But these are my thoughts. I’ll elaborate on them more on the blog when I have more time.

    - Conan backlash not a huge danger to Leno’s ratings. (1) The people who are very Team Conan were never Team Jay and (2) by and large, people to not watch late-nite shows as a moral statement.

    - BUT, to the extent it does hurt him, it will hurt him disproportionately among his younger demo, which could hurt at the margins b/c that’s what counts for ad money.

    - The bigger (and, I think, underestimated) risk to Jay is, simply, latenite is all about habit. NBC has broken its viewers latenite habit 2x in a year. People move on. Some went to Letterman, & so on.

    Forced to bet, I bet Leno beats Letterman when he goes back, as he did before. But does he beat him by as much (esp in the 18 to 49)? And if not, how is that not a failure for NBC? The whole point of this move is to restore the status quo ante. If not… well, how brilliant a move is it to pay $45M to replace a guy with lower (but improving) ratings with a guy with higher (but declining) ratings?

    Bonus question: If Jay’s ratings are off, how much time does NBC give him?

  • nowareyou

    Jay getting uglier and uglier?

    Letterman was the one who was getting ugly and very n nasty with his remarks each night.

    Leno had to respond, and I think his comment last night was perfectly justified.

  • djangopop

    What kind of offer could Comedy Central make? This is just a dream scenario so he is not on at the same time as The Daily Show and Colbert and thus competing for my time when I love and watch them all. I don’t think he really cares about his own money that much, but he’s had a pretty big staff lately. My understanding is that The Daily Show and Colbert have 30-50 staff instead of the 200 he had at The Tonight Show. I just think that him being on at 12 with great lead ins and lots of freedom is better than being on at 11 on Fox and competing with people who I think share his demographics. I know there is the cable vs network debate, but Team Conan is obviously not afraid of cable.

  • http://theinquiringminds.wordpress.com Robert Jimenez

    James, I do hope Conan continues doing latenite TV. NBC really screwed things up, it does seem as though they put restrictions on what Conan should and shouldn’t do. Now that Conan doesn’t seem to care what they think he is back to his old self “EXTREMELY FUNNY”.

    I use to watch Jay once in a while mostly waiting for Conan to come on afterwards at 12:35, but once Conan moved to the 11:35 slot I stopped watching Jay. He is just too boring. I do hope that Letterman continues to be competitive in the ratings against Jay.

    My feeling is that Jay’s ratings won’t be what they were, I’ll never watch his show again and I think his image has been really tarnished.

  • van68

    I just can’t past the fact that NBC has now spent over a hundred million dollars in the last year on developing The Jay Leno Show, creating a massive new budget for an extra show’s staff and production costs, and now paying O’Brien to walk away years early — all for a return to the status quo of a year ago, except now Leno has egg on his face and Jimmy Fallon is the host of Late Night instead of Conan O’Brien. (And I’m sorry, but with due respect to Fallon, he’s no Conan O’Brien.)

    Say what you will about Leno, but had he simply stood by his desire to stay with The Tonight Show back in 2004, the worst case scenario is that Conan would have left the network — which he’s now doing anyway — and NBC would have saved all that money.

  • charlieromeobravo

    So, worst case scenario, look for “the self pleasuring bear” coming to a new late night show in the near future ;-)

  • djangopop

    “Self Love Bear” is another good option.

  • charlieromeobravo

    Justified? Probably, but that’s not the Jay that everyone knows. Jay’s the nice guy. We talked about this in a thread a couple of days ago. Jay built his image around being the nice guy but he seems to be doing his damnedest to dismantle it recently. Letterman has been the curmudgeonly old man for most of his career and everyone knows he’s got a bone to pick with Jay and NBC. Plus, I don’t recall seeing Letterman take shots at Jay for the way he conducts his private life. Granted, Jay’s joke was pretty funny but it’s certainly the most acerbic joke I’ve ever seen him tell.

  • jimatl

    In terms of sheer eyeballs, going on at 12 on Comedy Central vs. 11 on FOX is not even close to a “great lead-in.”

  • adriaezn

    Perhaps the most terrifying aspect of this whole debacle for NBC is that Conan’s ratings have jumped drastically during this late-nite donnybrook of sorts…whereas Jay’s have stayed (relatively) flat…DESPITE his primetime spot. Even when the only news from NBC was that they were cancelling Jay’s show (and not necessarily forcing Conan out), Leno’s show didn’t see a huge boost in ratings…that’s because he has exhausted his base. Those who would watch his show were (as James has mentioned time and again) creatures of habit…NBC has crushed this habit with two changes to late-nite in one year…Conan – on the other hand – has HUGE room for growth, both as an unknown quantity of sorts to those of us who missed him on Late Night, and as a greater magnet for younger viewers who may be new to the late nite talk show scene…NBC has made an epic mistake here…

    My last thought, is there any chance of a Hollywood backlash against Jay if (read “when”) Conan gets another late-nite show? Meaning, will agents looking to book their clients on shows be less eager to book with Jay – given the now widely held notion of his more negative character attributes (both from his Letterman showdown, and now his one with Conan)? Understand that I know Jay will always have people who want to go on his show – but does this recent showdown with Conan pigeonhole Jay into have a certain subset of hollywood stars on his show (older, appealing to older demographics, etc.)?

  • charlieromeobravo

    Moe Ryan @ The Watcher has some pretty sharp observations about this whole thing.

    http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/01/conan-nbc-tonight-show-conan.html

    I think this sums up Jay for me right now:

    “As for Jay Leno? I think his “setting the record straight” statement the other night said it all. In that sigh-inducing litany of self-justification, he tried to portray himself as the passive victim in all this, but if the past couple of weeks have revealed anything, he’s far more manipulative, ambitious and cunning than anyone guessed. I blame NBC’s executives most for the current disaster — and goodness knows they’ve proven themselves to be every bit as dumb, arrogant and self-serving as we’d supposed — but Leno’s no innocent bystander here. And him trying to portray himself as one just makes me respect him even less.”

  • rhys1882

    Call me crazy, but I think Conan could do well on FX. The network has been expanding its programing a lot lately. It now has a couple good comedies, animation, many solid dramas, and even a docu-type show in the form of 30 Days. Other cable networks have started pushing into late night: the Daily Show, the Colbert Report, and Chelsea Handler. I think Conan would do really well in a less traditional format, even maybe a half hour instead of an hour, where he is free to go crazy. I don’t really like watching the late night shows because they are kinda long for my tastes and with all that fluff to fill out the hour can be kind of hit or miss. The Tonight Show became an institution because for a long time it was the only thing to watch at that time. Now, there’s so many options, a show will suffer if it cannot hold people’s attentions for the whole time.

    My guess is that Conan was under pressure from NBC to conform his behavior to what NBC perceived as “appropriate” for the Tonight Show at 11:35pm. Based on how NBC operates, they probably just wanted the Tonight Show to act exactly the same as before, just with a different host. That’s NBC’s M.O., take no risk, just try to emulate whatever has been even vaguely successful before.

  • masurix

    “NBC could argue that if that guy had been on stage for the last seven months, they wouldn’t be in this situation.”

    From what that one executive d-bag was saying, it sounds like NBC did everything but hold Conan’s family hostage to keep ‘that guy’ off the stage for the last 7 months. Those jabs about how Conan refused to “broaden his appeal” seemed to me to mean that he was supposed to be less like Conan (sharp, intelligent, off-the-wall) and more like Jay (bland, boring, lame).

    Maybe they’re seeing the error of their ways now.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    If Jay has ratings, he’ll get guests, bad publicity or no.
    As for whether he will get those ratings, I don’t know–see my longish reply above. But, and I am going to be a broken record about this, that NBC seems to be simply assuming Jay will go back & do the same against Letterman is silly. And is, I think, the big unasked question in all the coverage of this fiasco.

  • shara says

    Yeah, maybe he “had to respond” but he chose to respond in a way that escalated the animosity with cheap blows – which, regardless of the provocation, makes Jay look sleazy and defensive. He could have taken a high road, and found other ways to be funny in his response to Letterman in keeping with his “nice guy” persona, but he didn’t.

  • shara says

    “That’s NBC’s M.O., take no risk, just try to emulate whatever has been even vaguely successful before.”

    Very well put!

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  • ficheye

    Pinky wonk, You have been like a broken record for some time now. Oddly, not even you seem to have the facts straight.

    This is a generational conflict and you know it. Even if Conan isn’t funny or he’s nervous (which he is), we only get to hear about how Jay is a bad man. Conflicting information abounds. It’s a strange universe we live in where people want to imagine that Conan is funny and laugh loud and long at things that are only marginally humorous. The masturbating bear is one of those things. That should have been a one-shot bit. And his uncomfortable cameos of La Bamba are stupid, and that’s being kind. Conan, and this silly internecine conflict exemplify an immature mindset on the part of him and his fans.

    Even funnier, in Jays ‘Jaywalking’ bits he seems to target the very know-nothing’ generation that is rooting for Conan. Go figure. Tabula Rasa – untie!!

  • hsh452

    MT suits at NBC really screwed up and insulted what used to be their talent and who used to be their customers/audience. there are no rival talents to Jay and Conan-NONE. Huge loss for these idiots. They thought like the rest of the biz world that they could cut talent, as in knowledgeablence people to save $. This just continues that myth. to run a successful bizyou need knowledgeable talented expereinced people, at all levels, bottom line is you get what you pay for. Putting some second tier talent on either of these shows is going to be a financial disaster. They are getting what they didnt pay for. sucess. HAHA. They tried the bully pulpit routine, and lost HAHA.Best of luck to both Jay and Conan, they have earned their stripes.
    Perhaps if NBC management (aka MT suits)have kept up with the trends they would have put the scalpel away and tried better management to try and turn these shows around. Le$$ is not more le$$ is a downward spiral, this just proves it.

  • atcch

    One thing is very clear! NBC is at fault for everything. They wouldn’t let Jay or Conan compete against each other so they kept them both. In fact, NBC stopped competing altogether. Instead of letting shows develop or creating new ones, the experts of NBC gave Jay his own show. NBC went on the cheap and Jay Leno’s show failed. Conan’s numbers took a dip so NBC and Leno blame Conan. The fault I find with Jay, is that if he didn’t want to leave “The Tonight Show” then he should have spoke up to NBC. He made things worse and affected a lot of people’s lives. Jay Leno forgets that Johnny Carson (a Class Act) made his transition so much easier than he did for Conan. You didn’t see Johnny Carson do any shows after he left, and I believe he didn’t grant any interviews until Jay was well established as the new host. Jay also forgets that he had great programs like “Friends and “ER” to help lead up to his show. As you can probably guess ,I won’t be watching Jay Leno and I won’t be watching NBC. We all know that Conan didn’t get a real chance. What would have happened if Johnny Carson did to Jay what Jay did to Conan? Come on folks let’s be honest.

  • drad098

    ‘Masturbating Panda’. They just change the coloring on the suit.

  • formerlyjames

    I don’t pay much attention to any of them now, maybe tune into the beginnings of the monologues, rarely stick around. But I remember when this thing was spun and thinking what a dumb move. NBC pays people to make stupid decisions? And…why? Letterman has been on a vitriolic roll ever since. As things unfolded, it fulfilled my prophesy, dumb move to begin with. I’m not even sure I’ll watch the beginning of the stale monologues of the stale late shows. There’s too much on cable to spend time there. They all stink to me now.

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