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NBC's Conanundrum: Is Jay the Smart Choice?

Let me take off my TV-critic hat for a minute and put on my TV-business hat. Everyone’s assumption now—a well-founded one, it seems—is that, forced to choose between Jay Leno and Conan O’Brien, NBC will pick Jay. Leaving aside fairness, funniness or cosmic justice, is that the right business pick?

Short-term, I have to say: definitely. Leno will get better ratings than O’Brien is getting, period. And because NBC either can’t afford or is no longer capable of long-term thinking, that probably ends it.

Long-term, it may still be the smarter pick, but the question becomes much tougher.

Jay will get better ratings than Conan. But will he get the same ratings he did before he left the Tonight Show? There I’m not sure.

I’m not talking about “his brand being damaged,” which I think is a bunch of hoo-hah. People want to watch a late-night show that will entertain them. They will not be entertained less because the host washed out of his prime-time time slot.

Nor do I mean blowback from Conan’s screwing-over by NBC. Except for a handful of us, rational people do not watch late-night shows as a statement of conscience. The angry Conan fans who will never watch Jay would never watch him anyway. Beyond that, the audience will probably no more care how Jay gets back in the Tonight Show chair than they did when he outmaneuvered David Letterman.

No, I just mean simple audience loss. Late-night is all about habit. Once you break an established pattern, you break habits. Some Jay fans—maybe not most, but maybe enough to make a difference—gravitated over to Dave last summer, and Jay cannot count on them back. Nothing personal: just habits.

Despite which, Jay could very likely beat Dave when he comes back anyway. But it may be by a smaller margin. And as opposed to in the ’90s, when Jay as a new host was able to grow his audience, I’m not sure that Jay, a known commodity at 11:35 for over two decades, has any room to grow. He might. But he might instead be starting the Tonight Show with as many viewers as he will ever have again.

And let’s be blunt: those viewers will be older. And if the past is a guide, they will continue to grow older. As Jay has pointed out, he always did better with young viewers than he got credit for, because his overall numbers were so high. But Conan made Tonight younger overnight, and it will age back—a big consideration for ad revenue—overnight. And again because of the force of habit, that audience will age.

After which, by the way: who takes over when Jay finally retires (or, like Johnny Carson, essentially gets retired)? Jimmy Fallon?

Which is not to say that picking Conan instead is any sort of slam-dunk. I love Conan, and he hasn’t gotten the time Jay did (under better circumstances) to build an audience. But he was in late-night for 16 years himself: it may be that he has his audience and it is just never going to get bigger.

It also may be—and NBC has to be thinking of this—that if Conan goes to Fox, he will hurt David Letterman (with the second half-hour of an 11 p.m. Fox show) much more than he will hurt Jay, with whom his audience overlaps less.

But it is also possible that Conan can in fact—like Jay and Dave at similar stages in their careers—develop a bigger 11:35 audience, or that the audience will change (demographically and in its tastes) to like him better. It’s not guaranteed, by any means. But it’s enough of a possibility that I’m surprised we don’t hear more about at least the possibility of NBC picking Conan instead.

The bottom line is that Jay is certainly the better short-term pick. Long-term, Conan has more upside and more downside. And that may be what does him in. NBC has very likely decided to get out of the risk-taking business.

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  • jimatl

    I think the new 11:35 Leno show has the problem LOST does… it’s audience is never going to grow.

    Some people switched to Letterman and found they liked him; others found other things to watch, like Adult Swim; a small number won’t watch Jay again because of how bad he was in prime and/or “loyalty” to Conan. Some of his audience died in the last 5 months.

    Long term, I think Conan had potential to grow and thrive with younger audiences. I don’t see that with Leno.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “But he was in late-night for 16 years himself: it may be that he has his audience and it is just never going to get bigger.”

    With all due respect, this is a little silly. How long did Letterman host Late Night? Did Letterman’s audience get bigger when he moved to CBS? Does the size of that audience still fluctuate over long-ish periods of time? Did Leno’s? Are Letterman and Leno doing the same shows they were doing when they each started their new gigs? Leno’s audience has grown since he took over the Tonight Show and Lettermans’s certainly has since he left Late Night. Letterman’s comedy isn’t the same as it was when he started the Late Show. I mean he’s still Dave but various routines and gags have come and gone, the monologue isn’t as big of a deal now as it was a few years back. It’s not like Conan is a comic that’s been freeze dried and placed on stage. Certainly his style will evolve just as it did when he was at Late Night and his audience will change along with him.

  • Tom Shaw

    I agree that was the undertone of Conan’s statement: “If it’s not my job now, it will never be my job again. And Leno won’t be around forever.”

    On the other hand, I don’t know how “fixed” any of their audiences are: Letterman could have a heart attack tomorrow, youth could move over to The Daily Show, etc. And my gut tells me that Leno won’t willing give up the gig for another decade, barring health issues.

    So, not knowing who will be running (or even owning) the place in five years, I’d put my chips behind Leno for that timeframe as well.

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  • Chaddogg

    James — I tweeted you about this, but what about the following win-win-win-win for Leno, Conan, NBC/Universal, and NBC affiliates?

    1. Conan gets 11:35 pm, stays on NBC
    2. Leno fills the Oprah void by starting a new daytime syndicated talk-show (basically his own show, which would feature a monologue a la Ellen’s show right now) for NBC/Universal, with NBC agreeing to giving him a bigger piece of the production pie.
    3. Local syndicates get a better lead-in for the 5 pm/6 pm local news with Leno’s daytime talk show.

    I mean, is there any reason this couldn’t work? Daytime TV skews older anyway, which means Leno doesn’t hurt as much there….Leno gets more money and a regular gig….affiliates get better lead-ins to both their evening and 11 pm news shows (thanks to NBC filling 10 pm with dramas again)….and Conan keeps the Tonight Show.

  • lhathaw08

    Here’s my question….what was NBC’s landscape like in 2004 when they signed Conan to take over this gig? And how has it changed?

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  • dolleyes

    Which is exactly why Conan should go to Fox. Dave’s jump to CBS put him on his own show with a great time slot and a net that supports him. Jimmy flourishes at ABC and doesn’t have to worry about a emo network with committment issues. Conan, Jimmy and Dave all have great appeal and a big fan base. None of them need Leno, so let crybaby Leno squat on NBC, and let Conan have the space to be great on his own network. And c’mon, Conan used to write for The Simpsons! Fox and Conan are a marriage made in heaven. If Fox is smart it’ll dump Sarah Palin and use the cash to secure Conan.

  • julss1

    Honestly… I have always liked a late night talk show. But, I am soooo over Conan, Jay and Dave. I really could do without either one of them. Believe it or not, last year I started watching Chelsea Handler (Chelsey Lately) and LOVE it! She is by far funnier than the rest. I was dissappointed with Jimmy Fallon. I loved him on SNL, but not his talk show. Am I the only one here who thinks they can get rid of all 3? Thoughts?

  • Chaddogg

    I say this as someone who likes Conan and Dave….but yes, we could get rid of all three.

    So long as late night has Craig Ferguson, I’ll be fine. Best comic monologues in late night, and best interviewer in late night — simply MILES ahead of his competition.

  • doubleang

    its gonna be tough for any of them to grow their timeslots. people are leaving broadcast TV in droves.

    and I think Conan may get (or has already got) the worst of it. He has a younger audience, who is more likely to adapt to new technologies and methods of watching tv (Hulu, DVR, etc.).

    Kind of an aside, but still relevant thought: People always talk about reducing the DVR factor in these shows, but do people actually DVR this stuff? or even less likely: watch it on Hulu? Its not like a syndicated series that you need to follow. I can miss 5 years of Leno, and watch the newest episode without missing a beat.

  • ficheye

    Two things seem to be at stake here . Advertising revenue and the mystique and glory of having the ‘Tonight Show’. If Conan can get over his hurt feelings and go to FOX there would be true across the board competition.

    Oh, I forgot to mention the MONEY. It would be less for Conan at FOX, but he’d probably be better off in the long run. As far as his style, as one blogger mentioned, he is doing almost exactly the same things on the ‘Tonight Show’ that he did on his old show. If one thing has been clearly shown it’s that Conan will never change substantively from what he has always done. His repetitive usage of the phrase “We have an excellent show tonight” seems almost like an OCD problem associated with chronic nervousness.

    And the viewers, with all of their pride and prejudice, can always do something to lessen their discomfiture and chagrin: change the channel. I fear, somehow, that this is really what it has boiled down to – too lazy to change the channel.

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    @Chaddogg: I’m not sure Leno sees himself like Mike Douglas, though that could be a sweet option.

  • theiliad2000

    I used to be a huge Leno fan when he was host at 11:35pm. His monologue and skits were great. I only watched Conan when I was in high-school, he got old after that. Letterman: I never found anything about him funny at all, 65+ audience. So, lately I couldn’t believe it, but I have found myself thoroughly enjoying Ferguson. The guy is hilarious! A true comedian. I think Leno should go to ABC to avoid his undeserved bad rep (he did lead ratings for 15+ years, so must have done something right), Conan goes to Fox, Letterman stays, and they get a new guy for NBC.

  • coconogogo

    Let’s also not forget our history…. “Everyone’s” assumption in 1992 a few months into the new Leno Tonight Show was that NBC was wrong to chose Leno over Letterman.

    Leno came with a major decrease in ratings and a lot of baggage. It got so bad, that NBC actually went to Letterman and asked him to take over the Tonight Show from Jay (Letterman, on the counsel of Carson himself declined and pursued his offer with CBS rather than being chosen second and ousting a newly named host, even if he was a rival). Ironically it was Letterman’s decision that helped NBC remain on tops in late night programming.

    NBC would have been wrong then to lose Leno so soon in his Tonight Show run, and their original choice was vindicated in 1995 when Leno bested Letterman and remained on top for the rest of his tenure as Tonight Show host.

    NBC is wrong again. They proved in 1992 they panic easily and have no long term focus. Like Jay, Conan can grow into his role and come out on top for many years. How many years at the top would Jay realistically have left? And after he does retire, then what would they do? Conan may not be for everyone, but he is for many. Give him a good lead in, and some time and like Leno did (after 2+ years) he will find his 11:30 audience.

    Stop being so shortsighted NBC.

  • oderal

    So Much for Growing the “Brand”

  • bibbler9

    I think NBC made the wrong choice. Conan is 13 years younger then Jay. Jay maybe has 10 years left but Conan would have had 23 years. His audience would have grown with him and when Letterman left people would have move over to Conan. Letterman’s and Conan’s humor are similar. I agree with what Chaddogg wrote. I think an late afternoon Jay show would have worked. I have always like Jay’s monague and maybe one or two of his pre-interview bits but I must say I like Conan and Letterman’s a lot more.

    Here is my two cents. I think Conan should hold out for a bit and wait for Letterman to retire. Conan’s comdey works better in New York and I think their humor is similar. I think Letterman respects Conan and would love to have Conan take over for him. I am not sure if Conan would work on Fox. To many of the stations play sitcoms at that hour and many of the Fox stations have there local news at 9:00 p.m or no local news at all, so there would be no natural lead in. I lost a lot of respect for Leno in this. I know NBC told him they didn’t want to lose him but he is the one that should have insisted on leaving with a buy out. Just my opinion, of course I could be wrong.

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