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Lostwatch: The Ghost Whisperer

Before you read this post, watch last night’s Lost—and erase the videotape before it falls into the wrong hands. 

Characters who can talk to the dead and read minds are a minefield for storytellers. If there’s one device that invites writers to tell rather than showing, it’s this. At worst, you get melodramatic spirits unburdening themselves to Jennifer Love Hewitt; even in great shows, like Six Feet Under, the appearance of the “dead” is often an excuse to shed subtext and speechify characters’ internal monologues. On an in-between show like True Blood, I’ve never liked how literally they render Sookie’s mind-reading, because it eliminates the tension of having to infer the meaning of the mortals she’s talking to. 

So the first thing I loved about the Miles-centric “Some Like It Hoth” was that Lost’s producers made the wise choice not to have us hear what the dead tell Miles. In fact, Miles told us explicitly that the dead don’t “tell” him anything: because the mind stops working, there’s no language, just an open box of memories that he’s able to rummage through. For starters, it simply makes the effect more powerful than literal speech ever could be; it also creates the possibility–as we saw in Miles’ touching encounter with Mr. Breaking Bad–that he could be lying.

This is one way that Lost avoided the potential for corniness with the introduction of Miles. The other was by casting the excellent Ken Leung, who proved $1.6 million and then some last night. Given powerful material—not only working through his daddy issues but getting to watch Marvin read to him in his Dharma onesie—he didn’t give in to the pathos of the scene.

Whether in 1977 or in the flashback, he allowed us to see Miles’ hurt through the frame of his defenses: he played Miles as he is, which is to say, constantly pissed, even when he also feels hurt. When he tells the grieving father that he should have told his son he loved him when he had the chance, there’s sadness in the scene but also hostility. (It’s both a tender gesture to the dead ten he’s never met, and a cruel final answer to his father.) By bringing that edge to his performance and staying true to the character, it makes the penetration of his defenses, when he witnesses the tender moment with Marvin, seem that much more authentic and earned. 

And also: Hurley in a microbus? Never not funny! Pairing these two not only allowed for some emotional symmetry—it had not occured to me before how much they have in common—but made this one of the funniest Losts in a while, from Hurley’s spec script for The Empire Strikes Back (“CHEWBACCA: Rarrrrrrr!”) to “It Never Rains in Southern California” playing in the microbus to Miles’ explaining how he came to learn his dad was living on the Island: ”Third day I was here, I got on line at the cafeteria and my mother got on line behind me. That was my first clue.”

As for what this added to the mythology of the series, I’ll leave it to you to chew over the Easter eggs like the Egyptian-language lesson on the Dharma classroom chalkboard, the mystery of the deadly filling, or how Daniel Faraday has been spending his last three years. (That’s one flashback we all want to see.) But I am a little leery of the implications of Miles’ abduction by the Ajira-crash survivor / dude from October Road. Does this mean that there is yet another group out there, working against Widmore who’s working against Ben who had worked against Dharma? One season and change from the end of the series, how many more layers do we want to add onto this Russian doll? 

But that’s preliminary, and I’m willing to see where this goes. For now, this episode gave me a fine performance, a strong dose of ’70s Dharma and a resonant moment involving the first Star Wars trilogy, and that’s good enough for me.

Now for the hail of bullets: 

* Seriously: ”But at what cost? The second Death Star got destroyed, Boba Fett got eaten by the Sarlacc, and we got the Ewoks.” How. True. 

* I’m sure that Marvin’s sneering reference to the “ridiculous experiments” involving polar bear turds on the Hydra Island was a throwaway, but I like the idea of there being competing factions / departments within the Dharma enterprise. They’re like the most sinister college faculty ever. 

* The digits on the microwave at the beginning of the episode were “3:16,” which probably makes this as good a time as any to think about the Biblical or other significance of the Ajira flight number. 

* I’m sure this information is out there and I should know it offhand, but had we already had direct confirmation that Widmore orchestrated and paid for the Hoax 815 crash? (It was alluded to before that it was Widmore, but now I’m not sure if that’s what I should conclude from Miles’ interrogation of the corpse for Naomi.)

* So do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue? Discuss. And I’ll see you next week.

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  • natego

    Ok, First things first. Funniest LOST episode Ever!!!
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    Best LOST line ever!! “That douche is my father”.
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    Ok, so now we know why Miles asks for 3.2 mill. This begs the question as to what the relation is between Bram (the guys in the van) and Ben? Still wanna know the sides of the War. Are there three sides? DI (Bram/Illana), Widmore and Ben? Are Widmore and Ben actually on the same side, but simply in disagreement about the best way to fight the war, or who gets the glory as leader?
    .
    The filling killing (nice one!) was not a mystery sorta. It was the same thing that attracted all the metal in the hatch when the countdown went to zero. There is a giant electromagnetic source at the Swan station.
    .
    The interrogation of dead Felix was interesting. I’m not sure if it proves Widmore was responsible for the plane crash staging. Was he simply gathering proof or was it his purchase order (probably was him, but was it done simply to protect the island? Probably IMHO. Ben tries to use this to manipulate the 815 survivors to stop them from going home and telling the story. But, perhaps in the end both Ben and Widmore have the same intent to protect the island)

  • natego

    Oh, and whoever kept talking about the Star Wars parallels.. just get it all out and lets move on, eh?! :)

  • Matt

    @James – We’ve heard both sides, that the crash was staged by Widmore AND Ben. This seems to prove it was Widmore. But like so many things, seems is the operative word with this show. Oh, and hope the vacation is going well :)
    .
    My roommates and I were discussing how the episode could be named after Star Wars, and while we figured a character would reference seeing it in theaters… SO FUNNY. If Locke and Ben are the power-drama pairing in Lost, Hurley and Miles are the comedy duo.
    .
    This gets me thinking about all the other character pairings, whether they’re thematic or plot-based:
    Locke/Ben – Chosen by Island, terrible father relationships.
    Miles/Hurley – Speak to the dead, virtually no father relationships.
    Nikki/Paolo – Dead, buried alive. (Of course I had to throw that in)
    Kate/Juliet – Part of that love quadrangle. Too tired to think of thematic connections. And too tired to think of other pairings. Obviously Jack/Sawyer.
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    My guess is Bram (and Illana and the other Statue-Shadowers) are from the DI. The feel-goodery Bram was trying to convince Miles about strikes me as very DI.
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    Did anyone else get the sense that Miles ability first manifested during the cold-open flashback? If that’s the case, why did it take so long from when they left the Island? WHY did they leave the Island? I think that Mrs. Chang/Straum might be lying, that Pierre wasn’t a bad father… Oh! Unless after he lost his arm he got all mean.

  • renewkir

    @natego: youre right about the electromagnet. Horace says as much in his phone conversation with Chang.

    the idea of any group on the island having a “circle of trust” amused me. i took it miles was using the term tongue-in-cheek. cute.

    hurley’s soliloquy reminded me of an interesting parallel: miles’ father loses his hand, just like luke’s. I wonder if miles loses his hand, too, like luke? Or if he cuts off Chang’s…

    new laidback jack is way cooler than old, angry, controlling jack. he’s definitely accepted his new role.

    bram (and ilana) are almost certainly dharma. first off, the kidnapping was way too peaceful. second, that’s probably how they know about miles’ father.

    sawyer knocking out phil was probably my favorite part of the episode. hopefully he does the right thing and throws him in the volcano.

    there’s 16 sets of keys at the key drop-off. i’m guessing that means there’s 16 buses, minus the one ben set on fire. that’s vital info there.

    now we know for sure that miles and charlotte were on the island as children, and we have reason to believe ellie had daniel there. So it seems the Widmore science team was selected because of their connections to the island. I wonder where that leaves naomi?

    im new. is this too long of a post?

  • antilles13

    @renewkir – if you’re asking that last question, you’re definately new! And to answer you, not even close. :)
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    It’s late, but I won’t be able to post tomorrow. I just wanted to weigh in on Miles’ audition. I took it as indicating Widmore did NOT stage the fake 815, someone else did. One, the dead guy had photos of empty graves when he died – why would Widmore want photographic evidence of graves he dug up if he’s trying to accomplish this massive fraud? Two, and most importantly, he HAD the photos right before he died. I’m assuming that’s what Naomi wanted to know – what evidence he had obtained. I interpreted it as indicating Tom killed him, then took the photos (which he later showed to Michael in “Meet Kevin Johnson”) to convince Michael that Widmore was staging the conspiracy. So I don’t think it was Widmore – it was either Ben or Dharma.
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    Bram and the whole “shadow of the statue” thing just confuses me. I, too, was thinking he was Dharma. But does Dharma even know about the statue? I assumed it crumbled long, long ago, but I guess it could be there in Dharma time. Maybe it got destroyed in the Incident?
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    Either the scenes w/ Chang were filmed long before the season began to air (most likely), or they aren’t too interested in fixing continuity errors. He’s still walking around in that labcoat with the swan logo on it even though the Swan isn’t built yet.
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    Hurley was awesome this episode, but he always seemed to me like the kind of guy who would like Ewoks… “I’m writing the script for Empire Strikes Back, with a few improvements.” Dude, leave Empire alone and get to work on the Prequals.

  • antilles13

    @ Matt – seemed to me that was the first time Miles’ “ability” manifested too. It could be that was the first time he was relatively close to a dead body, though.

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    @antilles13, unless Widmore killed him to prevent him from communicating his information back to Ben or whomever he was working for and wanted to know what information he had obtained.
    .
    The shadow of the statue confuses me as well, my thoughts are they work for Ben because they talked to Ben already in the last episode as well as would have seen him on the plane and how would they not know of and want to kill Ben if they were Dharma.
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    The ewok line cracked me up, made me think of 30 Rock and Tracy Morgan’s desire to “kill an ewok”.

  • chriskw

    I think the third group of people work for Eloise Hawking. There have been past hints that she was the rightful leader of the Others in the 1970s and not Charle Widmore. Maybe Charles took the leadership role when she got pregnant with Daniel Faraday. She is the one who knew about the Ajira flight. I don’t have a lot of conviction in this theory because I have two other possiblities.

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    The people asking about the statue are like Richard. They are ageless and have been exiled for a long time.

    —–

    The third thought that went through my mind is that they work for Alvar Hanso(the man who financed the DHARMA INITIATIVE).

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    Or it could be, and probably is, none of these three.

  • southernbell49

    I wonder if Miles will eventually find out his father didn’t abandon him but in order to save him his father got his mother and him off the island.

  • natego

    @chrisk.. Widmore seemed to act like he was in control back in 1954, and Ellie wasn’t anywhere near pregnant in those scenes. I think Widmore always thought he was in control. Richard probably anointed him when he was a child similar to Ben/Locke etc. Widmore probably just let it go to his head.

  • Dave

    I think Chriskw’s right with his third thought… working for the Hansos makes a lot of sense. We haven’t seen much of a Hanso hand in things, and it makes sense that the power behind the Black Rock and the DI would play an active role in the war for the Island.
    `
    It’s also possible they’re just exiled Others, but I’d lean towards them working for the Hansos. After all, other than the Others, who knows more history of the Island?
    `
    As for what lies in the shadow of the statue, I think that the statement has double meaning. First, there’s the Temple itself. Second, the Shadow of the Statue is another name for Smokey. And what lies inside Smokey? Death? Judgment? Beauty? Peace? Perfection? Eternity? God?
    `
    One quick side note: Miles ghost whispering sure looked different the first time we saw it, with the dust buster and the drug money. Is that just a case of the producers not totally having a grasp on what they want his ability to do yet, or is there more to it? I’m guessing the former, but I thought I’d throw it out there for discussion.

  • Dave

    @natego – Widmore also didn’t know who Jacob was when he was a young man in 1954. He sure was arrogant about his knowledge of the Island, but he at least wasn’t the leader at that point. (*cough* Christian? *cough*)
    `
    I still say Radzinsky is Daniel’s father, btw :)

  • sulliclm

    So I agree with those who say that Bram/Ilana, et al are working for the DI, whether or not Alvar Hanso is still in control. That makes more sense than the show introducing a fourth group this late in the series…Also I didn’t see anyone else mention it yet, but I’m assuming that the reason why Miles and his mom are “banished/exiled/etc.” from the island is b/c Miles confronts his father before the Purge and tells him whats going to happen, thus causing him to send his son and wife away. Makes too much sense right?…I also like the parallel to luke losing his hand, and chang losing his arm. I’m curious to see how that’s going to play out…

  • tenderfeet

    @Dave – Yeah, I noticed the absence of the vaacuum too. I did notice he had the suitcase with him when he went to visit the father who’s son was cremated. My take is that Miles was just using it to try and lend some pseudo-science/showmanship to his talent? But I may just be giving the producers too much credit :)
    .
    Also, I guess it’s not technically a line, but the look on Miles face when Chang said he preferred country to jazz was the best moment of the night for me.

  • Dave

    @tenderfeet – I was more thinking about how Miles described the process to Hurley (they don’t talk, he just senses what happened when they died, the body needs to be there). When he went to the kid’s bedroom, there wasn’t a body (I hope… that’d be creepy), and he appeared to talk/converse with the spirit. Was Miles lying to Hurley about how it always works, freaked out that Hurley sees dead people too, or was that just an early vision of how Miles’ Island Power works?

  • shara says

    Hey all! I thought this episode was a really good showcase for Myles, who I’ve been wanting more information on for a LONG time. Plus, there was lots of Hurley screentime. I seriously want to know what exactly his improvements to Empire were, I’d love to read the Empire via Hurley script.
    .
    I thought that it was interesting that in both flashbacks where Myles was working a case for parents he wound up returning the money – I guess for different reasons, but I think its still worth noting, I’m wondering how many parallels can actually be drawn from those situations. In the first case, it seemed like a combination of: 1) guilt (for taking advantage of a grieving parent?); 2) lack of need (after finding the dead kid’s stash); and 3) sympathy for the lone mother figure. In the second case, it kinda seemed like a combination of: 1) guilt (at taking the money without doing the task, at betraying the dead son by letting his father off the hook); 2) lack of need (after the windfall from his audition with Naomi); and 3) anger at the absentee father. So, Myles is financially selfish yet has a conscience of some sort, and his behavior is often driven by his own daddy/family issues…
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    @dave – I think that Myles was probably telling the truth when he told the dad that having the body helps but isn’t ALWAYS necessary. Maybe the context is critical for whether he can hear memories without a body. Like, maybe it helped in that original situation that he was in the kid’s room, surrounded by the kid’s stuff, where the kid spent a lot of time and maybe left some sort of spiritual echo. Whereas with the father, it was outside, at a place where we don’t even know that the kid had lived recently prior to his death. Or maybe WHERE the person died is of some import – if he is in the place where the death happened maybe that makes it easier (which would mean that the kid would have had to have died in his room for that to have worked, and I can’t remember that far back if there was any indication one way or the other). I also thought that Myles’ ‘commentary’ to the spirit back then about ‘you can rest now’ or whatever sounded sarcastic at the time, and in hindsight the sarcasm would make more sense if he couldn’t really put the spirit to rest at all (sarcasm because it isn’t possible, sarcasm because that was part of his scam).

  • natego

    I thought the vacuum that Miles used was to make a bunch of noise so that the woman couldn’t hear what he was saying or doing in the bedroom?

  • Dave

    @shara – Yes, but Miles was definitely talking to the kid’s spirit (You’re not doing your grandma any good by sticking around here… where is it… you can go now). It seems like that really doesn’t match up with what he was telling Hurley (there’s no talking). Unless he can ask questions and get answers through feeling. It’s interesting that he used his rationale for no conversation as the brain not being there. So maybe he can communicate to the dead, but the dead can’t do anything other than be in whatever state they were when they died. That still doesn’t explain how he could ask the question and receive an answer, be it through feeling or ghost whispering.

  • Rorschach

    I’m just glad they fixed up the Star Wars mess… I was going to be pissed if Hurley had a chance to change Star Wars and changed Empire instead of Jedi. I yelled at the TV “What self respecting nerd would change Empire over Jedi?” But in the end he went on to talk about how messed up Jedi got.
    .
    A small point to some maybe, but come on… Ewoks?
    .
    They are kind of hitting us over the head with the Egyptian stuff now… that is kind of an un-Lost-like thing to do. I wonder what the deal is there.

  • shara says

    @Dave – your memory is definitely better than mind on that scene – I really liked that episode but haven’t seen it recently.

  • Dave

    I remember watching that scene over and over at one point, trying to glean any hints I could about Miles :) Now that OCD has paid off!

  • jayne1365

    The reference to Egyptian iconography in the classroom, along with the statue, just reinforces my belief that Richard and the others are old Egyptian “gods” who only exist near these electromagnetic power centers.

    I seem to remember in season 1 or 2 that when Rose got sick, she and Bernard did research and found that there were these powerful places around the world, one being in Australia. That was why they were on the Oceanic flight.

    I love Hurley because he seems to be the one who reacts to all situations most realistically. We would all like to think that we would be heroes in the face of danger but would we be? He comes out and says the things that the other characters only make faces at(so that you think they are doing some deep soul searching and thinking and serious decision making).

    Congrats to the actor who plays Sawyer, he just had a baby recently.

  • Tom Shaw

    I’m on vacation myself today, but putting up the Cliff Notes version of my usual comments because that’s how I roll:
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    For a Jack Bender episode, at first glance this was pretty unimportant; there are a number of things that jump out at second glance though:
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    Yes, we’ve seen the Swan producing the kind of electromagnetic forces that would drive a filling through someone’s head. One problem: it is still being built. The Swan does not generate those energies itself; it simply contains whatever is there (likely the odd combination of Jughead and Island-energy).
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    Interesting that grid 334 is in hostile territory. Yes, the Purge may have been mass murder, but neither side is without sin in this conflict.
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    Yes, Miles’ ghost-talking slightly contradicts 4.2. But I think the point was to firmly establish that whatever Hurley is doing, it is not talking to ghosts – nor are any of the on-Island visions we’ve seen.
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    More closed-loop action: since baby Miles was in the Candle/Daniel comic-con video, their conversation is happening right about now. Which means that Candle sent his wife and son away to avoid the Incident through Purge, that his son trying to find out why that was, helped to precipitate.
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    Indeed, big white guy is (one of many, apparently) the mole on the plane. But whom does he work for? Wouldn’t Dharma know that Miles ends up in the past and not try to block that from happening?
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    And no, we were never conclusively told who was responsible for Faux 815. But if it was Widmore, why would he need to have someone investigate his own actions, and send someone to kill that person before he could report back?
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    And yes, I think we should not assume the future is only Ben vs. Widmore. Again, that first season 5 preview video has bearded Jack in a Dharma-branded video. They will return before the show is over – possily the last shot of this season.
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    And don’t put too much focus on the initiation videos. Trying to build a timeline with them assumes that those were the first and only initiaion videos ever made – the Incident might generate enough of an electromagnetic pulse to erase all the old initiation videos, thus necessitating the filming of a new set out of order vs. when the stations themselves were built.

  • Dave

    @Tom – I was under the impression that the dead messenger was bringing the real stuff to Widmore, then Tom (or another Other) killed him and stole that material and showed it to Michael. Unless Widmore wanted Ben to think that Widmore faked it, and Widmore wanted his crew to think that Ben faked it, all the while it was really the Hansos? That doesn’t seem likely, but the thought entered my head :)
    `
    I think the Initiation videos are legit clues, based mainly on how they were introduced and used throughout seasons 2 and 3. It would feel cheap for them to tease us with all these videos, then be like, “Just kidding, fools!”

  • adriaezn

    You forgot what may have been the most hilarious line of the night:

    Hurley: “Fine. You’re just jealous because my powers are better than yours.”

    Classic.

  • lostepic

    Best line: first I agree that everyone should stay away from the many references to Star Wars etc…but Hurley’s line about Luke’s selfishness and we getting the ewoks….awesome. Hurley said what we were all thinking.

    Its Miles dead pan delivery of the line “Chewbacca: Rarrrrr!” and his reaction that Chang is fond of country. Great.

    @natego: I totally agree. When Llana knocked Lapedas unconscious my first thought is that they are either with Widmore or that there is a third enemy and they are the ones that are going to start the “war” widmore spoke of. Widmore and Ben’s war seems more of a sibling spat than villain against villain.

    Bram attempt at recruiting Miles, with “what lies in the shadow of the statue”, and stating that if Miles went with them he would know who he is, purpose etc…sounds very Otherish. It would be interesting if they were Hanso men but that’s Dharma, and since a plane dropped a pallet of food seasons ago one would think Dharma is still around. SO its possible but I like exiled Others who are ageless like Richard, since Richard is the only one who can and Ben would have recognized them on the plane if they were exiled when he was on the island pre-815. Who knows?

    The Swan Logo is ok since, Radzinsky already alluded to the fact that the station was going to be called the swan.

    Miles audition would indicate Widmore had nothing to do with the staging or the man was a ruse to further deceive Miles and Co. by having the man be under the assumption himself that the evidence pointed to Ben. In no way are led to believe with any certainty that the dead man worked for widmore. For all we know Naomi killed him and what others have said, he was getting info to Ben. We will know soon enough.
    Miles did do the twitching thing with his audition, but perhaps there was no body when we first met him and so he needed the modified vacuum.

    Death by filling! Awesome, that’s it I am going to go get composites. Ok just because the swan hasn’t been built yet doesn’t mean that the electromagnetism couldn’t do anything. The orientation video stated the station was built to study it and then the incident demanded the “button pushing”. Has any episode established what they were studying or what it was? No. So for all we know, it really was that powerful to kill “filling man” not to mention we don’t know exactly what he was doing for sure. So for all we know he did something stupid and got himself killed.

    I loved the number scene with Hurley and the hatch. Painful nostalgia for the character, but for some reason it lost impact for me when the numbers seemed to be just mindlessly put on the hatch door. Maybe I keep things too lofty but the mystery of the numbers was not as impact full. Note to producers, those numbers better have an origin or something important and not be impotent of meaning other than connection with people.

  • thalasseri

    Miles rocks! Apart from all the lines already quoted above, the one about “Dr. Chang and I don’t move in the same circles” was oddly poignant.

    Loved the episode, but perhaps there was a full moon last night, I was plagued by random paranoia :-)

    I guess it’s an indication of how the writers keep us guessing about the significance of the minutest details on this show – I found myself wondering about what would normally be treated as as mere dramatic license in other shows – specifically, Naomi finds Miles leaving a “consultation” and takes him from there to a very explicitly mentioned nearby place, where a body is conveniently laid out. Was the body brought to the close-by place on purpose? Was the broken-hearted dad just an actor paid by Widmore to lure Miles to the neighborhood? Perhaps I went down this rabbit-hole because while I watched Miles deal with this grieving dad, I kept expecting the other shoe to drop, and Miles to sense/sniff that the dad was complicit in the boy’s death.

    The explanation given to Miles by Naomi about his role in the island expedition seemed simultaneously comical and sinister; there are lots of “dead” people on the island who Miles can tap into to lead Widmore’s people to the elusive “bad guy”. Yes, dead men walking, like Christian, say? Widmore would have known precisely who Miles’s father was, and perhaps even the reason why Miles has this particular super-power (albeit inferior to Hurley’s abilities, of course ;-)

    Ben’s dad’s unraveling (from hitting on Kate a couple of episodes ago, to turning on her after she tried to comfort him) made me think back
    to the purge scene, when it looked like Ben volunteered/chose to kill his own dad, while the (rest of the) Others wiped out the rest of the DI. I wonder if we’re going to see yet more to come from dear old Roger
    to help fill out the rationale for Ben to commit patricide.

    The reasoning revealed behind Miles asking Ben for $3.2 million back when Locke had locked up the Devious One was interesting. Was Miles quizzing Ben at the time, to try and see if he was the one who had sent the A-team to try and swipe him from Widmore’s clutches? Or is he just always on the lookout for a way to double his money ;-)

    The obvious questions about what the Others were doing while the DI was indulging in massive construction in hostile sectors weren’t answered in this episode, but we shouldn’t have too long to wait for some major fireworks…

  • Tom Shaw

    One other point I forgot: the markings on the pre-Incident sub that dropped off Daniel are the same as those I mentioned on the post-Purge sub (and their staff) that carted off Widmore.
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    So who exactly is running that sub? Has it always been Hanso owned? I dropped my truce ideas over the last season once it was clear that 815ers ended up in the past (and thus The Others didn’t interfere with various things because they needed the time travel loops to close properly), but I now have to ask: did the truce between Dharma & Hostiles ever actually end? Heck, have we even seen any evidence that The Hostiles knew 2004/2007 era people other than Locke would end up in the past and that there even are any loops to close?

  • Chaddogg

    Since I was travelling for work, I didn’t have an opportunity to discuss this episode, which was one of my favorites of the season, with all of you yesterday, so here are my Friday thoughts:
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    - I’m the guy always talking about the Jack-Sawyer-Kate relationship being a parallel to Luke-Han Solo-Leia, albeit without the Lucas-copout of making Luke and Leia siblings. So naturally I was pleased with Hurley’s VERY in character decision to “fix” the Star Wars saga. However, I can’t believe that I missed the larger parallel of Luke-Darth Vader to just about every character on this show and their fathers. I mean, Kate’s biological dad was abusive (and she killed him); Sawyer’s dad killed his mother than himself after she got swindled by a con-man (not to mention the fact that Sawyer killed his “namesake” father, the very con-man who caused all those problems); Locke’s dad abandoned him, stole his kidney, and pushed him out of a window (and Locke killed him by getting Sawyer to do the deed); Ben was beat up by his drunk dad who blamed his “son” for killing his wife/Ben’s mother (and Ben killed him by gassing him); and Jack/Claire’s dad was a drunk megalomaniac who was too demanding on his son and abandoned his daughter (and died, we believe, by drinking himself to death). Now add Miles to the list — his dad was a “douche” who (we think) drove his mother and him away and never came back (and might have lost an arm, in a reversal on the Vader-Luke relationship).
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    I’m not sure where all this fits, but I do think there is some interesting parallels going on here….
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    - Count me amongst those that think the big guy from October Road is with some branch of Hanso. I do have a caveat, though — I think the riddle may actually indicate they, like Richard, are “Otherized” true believers/immortals who were somehow banished from the island, but believe firmly in (for lack of a better phrase) an Island-based deity.
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    I think the riddle “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” is much more literal than we think. “Shadow of the statue” = Smokey, which is quite literally a shadow of blackness. “What lies” does NOT mean some object or person, but rather “lies” in the sense of truth. The Ben-lead Others (like the Dharma initiative) were all “lies” to the Island’s true will (living in houses, modernity, etc.) Furthermore, we KNOW what happens if you “lie” to Smokey — he kills you. Eko claimed he was not sorry for what he did, but he was/should have been, and was killed. Ben admitted his complicity in the life/death of Alex, and he lived.
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    The answer, then, is either “no one” (because anyone who lies while in Smokey’s shadow dies) or “death” (since that that is what follows directly from “lying” to Smokey).

  • sajoc

    I have to start off by saying, “All the comments in this blog are very detailed, almost as if there’s some reality to this garbled fairy tale.”

    I watch the show, but not because I think I’ll ever make any sense out of it. Only to be entertained, but never to try and figure out what many people are trying desperately to understand.

    This is a show people. Not a world diplomacy issue with a complex sea of players. The creators do whatever they wish, with you on their little puppet strings.

    Alright, it’s entertaining, different, strange and weird, but ultimately, these guys probably sit around thinking, “if we have Ben do this next week, they’ll (audience) think “this and that.”

    I’m all worked up over nothing… (Slap). It’s only a show!!!

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  • Chaddogg

    @sajoc — of course it’s only a show. No one here would tell you anything different.
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    However, it is also art, and art deserves to be taken seriously in the sense that it deserves to be critiqued, discussed critically, praised or decried, etc. etc. No one here is elevating Lost to an unreasonable place of importance — but they are treating it as serious art that deserves discussion, analysis, and careful thought.

  • Dave

    @Chad – I agree that the Shadow of the Statue is Smokey (see post 11), but I think the answer to the riddle is a little deeper than just no one or death. For the record, I took the word “lies” to mean rests or stays. I’m thinking the riddle could just as easily be read, “what is in the Shadow of the Statue?” Using “lies” just rolls off the tongue better :)
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    For the answer itself, we have a few instances that we can look to. The obvious example is Eko – Eko lied to the Shadow and the Shadow brought death. So perhaps Death is what lies in the Shadow. But when the SotS first approached Eko, it showed images of Eko’s past. So perhaps Knowledge or Truth lie in the SotS. We look at what happened to Ben the other week, and so maybe Justice or Judgment lie in the SotS. Back in S1 or S2, Locke had commented that he looked into the Eye of the Island, and what he saw was beautiful. So maybe Beauty lies in the SotS. Or maybe all of it – Death, Justice, Beauty, Knowledge, etc. Maybe it’s Perfection that lies in the SotS.
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    Then again… maybe it really is just the Temple that lies in the shadow of the Statue. *shrug* :)

  • renewkir

    After a reading of Doc Jensen’s blog (and the lesson in Norse mythology), perhaps the answer is something as pithy as “Resurrection.” It sounds pretty cheesy, but who knows. It’s certainly one of the island’s powers.

  • natego

    @Dave.. Sounds like you’re saying Smoky is a god or the God. I’m pretty sure a god would encompass all the things you mentioned (i.e death, justice, beauty, etc.)

  • gnatalby

    Yes, we’ve seen the Swan producing the kind of electromagnetic forces that would drive a filling through someone’s head. One problem: it is still being built. The Swan does not generate those energies itself; it simply contains whatever is there (likely the odd combination of Jughead and Island-energy).

    Au contraire, there are two problems: fillings aren’t magnetic! (And weren’t, even back in the ’70s.

  • lostepic

    Happy lost day.
    @gnatalby: are you telling me that the electormagnetic forces that the swan was built to study couldnt affect anything because the incident hasnt happened yet? The Swan station was built to study the forces then, due to the incident, cue cement wall covering experiment room that we have yet to see because Sayid and Co. could get through it. Hopefully we eventually will see what kind of experiments they were. The forces could still do something since it was the focal point of said energy.

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